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Dacentrurus armatus
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 05:03 PM Forum Dinosauria Species profiles View full topic
Dacentrurus armatus Temporal range: Late Jurassic, 154–150 Ma Scientific classification Kingdom:Animalia Phylum:Chordata Branch:Sauropsida clade:Dinosauria Order:Ornithischia Suborder:Stegosauria Family:Stegosauridae Genus:Dacentrurus Species: D. armatus Binomial name Dacentrurus armatus (Owen, 1875 [originally Omosaurus]) Synonyms Omosaurus armatus Owen, 1875 (preoccupied) Size Mass: 6 tonnes Length: 8-10 meters Holotype specimen, London Dacentrurus ("very sharp tail"), originally known as Omosaurus, was a large stegosaur of the Late Jurassic Period (154 - 150 mya). Description Life restoration of Dacentrurus armatus This dinosaur measured around 8 metres (26 ft) in length. It had paired triangular plates down its spine, with four pairs of spikes on the end of the tail. This configuration closely resembles that of its relative, Kentrosaurus (see also: thagomizer). Many books claim that Dacentrurus was a small stegosaur, when in fact finds such as a 1.5 metres (4.9 ft) pelvis (measured at the acetabula) suggest that Dacentrurus was among the largest of them. Although Dacentrurus is considered to have the same proportions as a Stegosaurus, Dacentrurus' plate and spike configuration is known to be rather different, as Dacentrurus has both two rows of small plates and two rows of longer spines along its back. Its closest relative within Stegosauria is Miragaia, and the two are united in the subfamily Dacentrurinae. Discovery and species When it was described by Richard Owen in 1875 as Omosaurus armatus, it was the first stegosaur ever discovered, although the genus name had to be changed as the name Omosaurus was preoccupied. Species Holotype of Dacentrurus armatus, from Owen's 1875 monograph Other proposed species of Dacentrurus include D. durobrivensis (included with Lexovisaurus durobrivensis), D. phillipsi (sometimes mistakenly included with Priodontognathus phillipsi, due to having the same species name and a confused history), and D. vetustus (included with Lexovisaurus vetustus). Distribution Fossil evidence has been found in Wiltshire and Dorset (including a vertebra ascribed to D. armatus in Weymouth) in southern England, France and Spain and five more historically recent skeletons from Portugal. Argiles d'Octeville Camadas de Alcobaça El Collado Formation Kimmeridge Clay Unidade Amoreira-Porto Novo Unidade Bombarral ?Unidade Castehanos Unidade Sobral Eggs attributed to Dacentrurus have also been discovered in Portugal.

Posted: Oct 8 2012, 05:03 PM Forum Dinosauria Species profiles View full topic

Dacentrurus armatus

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Temporal range: Late Jurassic, 154–150 Ma

Scientific classification
Kingdom:Animalia
Phylum:Chordata
Branch:Sauropsida
clade:Dinosauria
Order:Ornithischia
Suborder:Stegosauria
Family:Stegosauridae
Genus:Dacentrurus
Species: D. armatus

Binomial name
Dacentrurus armatus
(Owen, 1875 [originally Omosaurus])

Synonyms
Omosaurus armatus Owen, 1875 (preoccupied)

Size
Mass: 6 tonnes
Length: 8-10 meters

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Holotype specimen, London

Dacentrurus ("very sharp tail"), originally known as Omosaurus, was a large stegosaur of the Late Jurassic Period (154 - 150 mya).

Description

Life restoration of Dacentrurus armatus

This dinosaur measured around 8 metres (26 ft) in length. It had paired triangular plates down its spine, with four pairs of spikes on the end of the tail. This configuration closely resembles that of its relative, Kentrosaurus (see also: thagomizer). Many books claim that Dacentrurus was a small stegosaur, when in fact finds such as a 1.5 metres (4.9 ft) pelvis (measured at the acetabula) suggest that Dacentrurus was among the largest of them. Although Dacentrurus is considered to have the same proportions as a Stegosaurus, Dacentrurus' plate and spike configuration is known to be rather different, as Dacentrurus has both two rows of small plates and two rows of longer spines along its back. Its closest relative within Stegosauria is Miragaia, and the two are united in the subfamily Dacentrurinae.

Discovery and species

When it was described by Richard Owen in 1875 as Omosaurus armatus, it was the first stegosaur ever discovered, although the genus name had to be changed as the name Omosaurus was preoccupied.

Species

Holotype of Dacentrurus armatus, from Owen's 1875 monograph

Other proposed species of Dacentrurus include D. durobrivensis (included with Lexovisaurus durobrivensis), D. phillipsi (sometimes mistakenly included with Priodontognathus phillipsi, due to having the same species name and a confused history), and D. vetustus (included with Lexovisaurus vetustus).

Distribution

Fossil evidence has been found in Wiltshire and Dorset (including a vertebra ascribed to D. armatus in Weymouth) in southern England, France and Spain and five more historically recent skeletons from Portugal.
Argiles d'Octeville
Camadas de Alcobaça
El Collado Formation
Kimmeridge Clay
Unidade Amoreira-Porto Novo
Unidade Bombarral
?Unidade Castehanos
Unidade Sobral

Eggs attributed to Dacentrurus have also been discovered in Portugal.

Spotted Hyena (pack of 5) v Deinonychus (pack of 5)
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:44 PM Forum Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Deinonychus wins stronger bite 4100-8200 newtons of bite force more agile avian stamina more durable, like modern birds

Interspecific Conflict Guidelines & Requests
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:36 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Euhelopus vs Shantungosaurus

Torvosaurus (European) v Tyrannotitan
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:34 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Torvosaurus has a very strong bone-crushing bite without any mention of small gape, and has a slight size advantage. Torvosaurus wins 70-75%

Torvosaurus Pictorial
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:30 PM Forum Dinosaur Video & Image Gallery View full topic
Torvosaurus skulls Torvosaurus skull with human

Dinosaur and other extinct animal Skulls Pictorial
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:29 PM Forum Dinosaur Video & Image Gallery View full topic
Torvosaurus skulls Torvosaurus skull with human

Dinosaur and other extinct animal Skulls Pictorial
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:26 PM Forum Dinosaur Video & Image Gallery View full topic
Carcharodontosaurus skull

Carcharodontosaurus Pictorial
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:25 PM Forum Dinosaur Video & Image Gallery View full topic
<--Carcharodontosaurus tooth

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 04:17 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
If you guys use 9.1 tonnes for Tyrannosaurus, then we must use 20.7 tonnes for Spinosaurus. If you are gonna use a liberal estimate for Tyrannosaurus, then we must also use liberals for toher theropods, otherwise, it would be bias. Verdugo, the skeleton isn't the issue, it's how they fleshed it out, that's the issue. 9-tonne Tyrannosaurus is fat, fat, and more fat

Deinonychus antirrhopus v Velociraptor mongoliensis (Pack of 3)
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 03:55 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Deinonychus wins

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Posted: Oct 8 2012, 11:32 AM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Gecko Oct 8 2012, 01:01 AM brolyeuphyfusion Oct 7 2012, 01:53 PM Just stop cherry picking the info that gives Tyrannosaurus the advantage. Spinosaurus was almost twice the mass of Tyrannosaurus and was much taller. How is that cherry picking? I can show you six more pictures and the results will be the same... Tyrannosaurs are physically more impressive looking than Spinosaurs (Not counting the arms of course) brolyeuphyfusion ((17 / 11)3 ) * 3000 kg = 11073.6288505 kilograms ((16 / 11)3 ) * 3000 kg = 9232.15627348 kilograms ((18 / 11)3 ) * 3000 kg = 13145.0037566 kilograms Scaling from a 3-tonne, 11-meter Suchomimus yields ~11 tonnes for a 17-meter Spinosaurus, ~9.2 tonnes for a 16-meter individual, and ~13.1 tonnes for an 18-meter individual Sue's skeleton alone weight almost 2 tons. The new weight estimates (the laser scanned skeletons one) give Sue a minimum weight of 10 tons. The Field Museum says Sue is "more than 7 tons ". @Verdugo nice find. Here's the Tyrannosaurus holotype skull in a similar pose. Your laser scanned skeleton estimate is flawed, don't use it. It assumes that Tyrannosaurus was a fat sausage. If you have seen the model that the estimate is based on, you'll see what I mean... Tyrannosaurus can't even hunt effectively at that level of fatness!

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex

Posted: Oct 8 2012, 11:32 AM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic

Gecko
Oct 8 2012, 01:01 AM
brolyeuphyfusion
Oct 7 2012, 01:53 PM
Just stop cherry picking the info that gives Tyrannosaurus the advantage. Spinosaurus was almost twice the mass of Tyrannosaurus and was much taller.
How is that cherry picking? I can show you six more pictures and the results will be the same...

Tyrannosaurs are physically more impressive looking than Spinosaurs (Not counting the arms of course)

brolyeuphyfusion

((17 / 11)3 ) * 3000 kg = 11073.6288505 kilograms

((16 / 11)3 ) * 3000 kg = 9232.15627348 kilograms
((18 / 11)3 ) * 3000 kg = 13145.0037566 kilograms

Scaling from a 3-tonne, 11-meter Suchomimus yields ~11 tonnes for a 17-meter Spinosaurus, ~9.2 tonnes for a 16-meter individual, and ~13.1 tonnes for an 18-meter individual

Sue's skeleton alone weight almost 2 tons. The new weight estimates (the laser scanned skeletons one) give Sue a minimum weight of 10 tons. The Field Museum says Sue is "more than 7 tons ".

@Verdugo nice find. Here's the Tyrannosaurus holotype skull in a similar pose.

Your laser scanned skeleton estimate is flawed, don't use it. It assumes that Tyrannosaurus was a fat sausage.
If you have seen the model that the estimate is based on, you'll see what I mean...
Tyrannosaurus can't even hunt effectively at that level of fatness!

Epanterias amplexus v Torvosaurus tanneri (European)
Posted: Oct 7 2012, 10:12 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
50/50 imo

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Posted: Oct 7 2012, 09:52 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Spinosaurus won't be using it's bite to kill though...so even if Spinosaurus had the bite force of a human(which is impossibly low for an 11-tonne theropod), it would still win

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Posted: Oct 7 2012, 02:06 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
((17 / 11)³ ) * 3000 kg = 11073.6288505 kilograms ((16 / 11)³ ) * 3000 kg = 9232.15627348 kilograms ((18 / 11)³ ) * 3000 kg = 13145.0037566 kilograms Scaling from a 3-tonne, 11-meter Suchomimus yields ~11 tonnes for a 17-meter Spinosaurus, ~9.2 tonnes for a 16-meter individual, and ~13.1 tonnes for an 18-meter individual

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Posted: Oct 7 2012, 01:53 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
Gecko Oct 7 2012, 01:40 PM Fragillimus335 Oct 7 2012, 07:04 AM Spinosaurus wins. This is why I think so. Tyrannosaurus's only useful advantage in this fight is moderately superior bite force. Every other advantage goes to Spinosaurus. It has an enormous weight, height, strength, gape, and reach advantage. Spinosaurus was twice as strong as Tyrannosaurus, that make this a mismatch. Tyrannosaurus's bite certainly was more than just "moderately" superior. Dr. Sakamoto suggests that Spinosaurus's bite was weak compared to Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus, whos bites were already lower than Tyrannosaurus's by "almost an order of magnitude". Weight and strength are also something Spinosaurus wouldn't have a big advantage in either. Spinosaurs were bulky but were no where near Tyrannosaurs. A 14-16 m Spinosaurus would probably wasn't much wider than Stan. Tyrannosaurus was extremely barrel chested, at parity Tyrannosaurus was without a doubt stronger and probably comparable in strength to even an 16-17 m Spinosaurus (At least Sue was). I'd think Tyrannosaurus would be within a few 1000 lbs of Spinosaurus. I doubt it had a big height advantage (If it even had one!). The newest info puts Spinosaurus's legs as being pretty short, and even scaling up from Baryonyx and Suchomimus doesn't make it over 1 meter taller. Source for Tyrannosaurus having a smaller gape than Spinosaurus? Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus certainly had a bigger gape but Spinosaurus? Just stop cherry picking the info that gives Tyrannosaurus the advantage. Spinosaurus was almost twice the mass of Tyrannosaurus and was much taller.

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex

Posted: Oct 7 2012, 01:53 PM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic

Gecko
Oct 7 2012, 01:40 PM
Fragillimus335
Oct 7 2012, 07:04 AM
Spinosaurus wins. This is why I think so. Tyrannosaurus's only useful advantage in this fight is moderately superior bite force. Every other advantage goes to Spinosaurus. It has an enormous weight, height, strength, gape, and reach advantage. Spinosaurus was twice as strong as Tyrannosaurus, that make this a mismatch.
Tyrannosaurus's bite certainly was more than just "moderately" superior. Dr. Sakamoto suggests that Spinosaurus's bite was weak compared to Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus, whos bites were already lower than Tyrannosaurus's by "almost an order of magnitude".

Weight and strength are also something Spinosaurus wouldn't have a big advantage in either. Spinosaurs were bulky but were no where near Tyrannosaurs. A 14-16 m Spinosaurus would probably wasn't much wider than Stan. Tyrannosaurus was extremely barrel chested, at parity Tyrannosaurus was without a doubt stronger and probably comparable in strength to even an 16-17 m Spinosaurus (At least Sue was). I'd think Tyrannosaurus would be within a few 1000 lbs of Spinosaurus.

I doubt it had a big height advantage (If it even had one!). The newest info puts Spinosaurus's legs as being pretty short, and even scaling up from Baryonyx and Suchomimus doesn't make it over 1 meter taller.

Source for Tyrannosaurus having a smaller gape than Spinosaurus? Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus certainly had a bigger gape but Spinosaurus?

Just stop cherry picking the info that gives Tyrannosaurus the advantage. Spinosaurus was almost twice the mass of Tyrannosaurus and was much taller.

size
Posted: Oct 7 2012, 01:37 PM Forum Debate & discussion of dinosaur related topics. View full topic
Pardus Oct 7 2012, 08:02 AM Size is: Height and Length You forgot width...

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Posted: Oct 7 2012, 01:31 AM Forum Dinosauria Interspecific Conflict View full topic
I wonder when will this end...Spinosaurus wins, but Tyrannosaurus' fans keep denying it...

Pegomastax africanus
Posted: Oct 6 2012, 08:38 PM Forum Dinosauria Species profiles View full topic
Lower jaws of specimen SAM-PK-K10488

what is megaraptor?
Posted: Oct 6 2012, 07:40 PM Forum Debate & discussion of dinosaur related topics. View full topic
coelophysid Oct 6 2012, 07:16 PM a dromeosaur No, that's outdated. It was found to be a neovenatorid allosauroid

size
Posted: Oct 6 2012, 05:53 PM Forum Debate & discussion of dinosaur related topics. View full topic
Length isn't size though...Size = Volume. Puertasaurus is far more voluminous than Supersaurus

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