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African Wild Dog v Human
Topic Started: Jan 5 2014, 01:23 PM (7,025 Views)
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African Wild Dog - Lycaon pictus
Lycaon pictus is a large canid found only in Africa, especially in savannas and lightly wooded areas. It is variously called the African wild dog, African hunting dog, Cape hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, painted hunting dog, spotted dog, or ornate wolf. he scientific name "Lycaon pictus" is derived from the Greek for "wolf" and the Latin for "painted". It is the only canid species to lack dewclaws on the forelimbs. This is the largest African canid and, behind only the gray wolf, is the world's second largest extant wild canid. Adults typically weigh 18–36 kilograms (40–79 lb). A tall, lean animal, it stands about 75 cm (30 in) at the shoulder, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in). Animals in southern Africa are generally larger than those in eastern or western Africa. There is little sexual dimorphism, though judging by skeletal dimensions, males are usually 3-7% larger. The African wild dog's main prey varies among populations but always centers around medium-to-large sized ungulates, such as the impala, Thomson's Gazelle, Springbok, kudu, reedbuck, and wildebeest calves. The most frequent single prey species depends upon season and local availability. For example, in the Serengeti in the 1970s wildebeest (mostly calves) were the most frequently taken species (57%) from January to June, but Thompsons gazelle were the most frequently taken (79%) during the rest of the year.

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Human - Homo sapiens
Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens, Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man") are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago. Humans have a highly developed brain and are capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. Human body types vary substantially. Although body size is largely determined by genes, it is also significantly influenced by environmental factors such as diet and exercise. The average height of an adult human is about 1.5 to 1.8 m (5 to 6 feet) tall, although this varies significantly from place to place and depending on ethnic origin. The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males. Weight can also vary greatly (e.g. obesity). Unlike most other primates, humans are capable of fully bipedal locomotion, thus leaving their arms available for manipulating objects using their hands, aided especially by opposable thumbs.

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Catboy
Jan 4 2014, 10:27 PM
African Wild Dog vs Human (average)
Edited by Taipan, Dec 28 2014, 01:41 PM.
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Any interspecific conflict post involving humans is a joke. They are essentially all mismatches; smaller animals would be too speedy for a steady dispute, while almost any similarly sized animal will win in two seconds flat. Most humans are not accustomed to fighting, and even panic when confronted with aggressive domestic dogs. An African wild dog is by no means very small, and that dentition is impressive, along with their jumping ability, bite strength, and maneuverability. I can hardly imagine a human winning. How would he? Perhaps he could hold his own for a surprising amount of time, but without clothes, what is he going to do to execute his opponent? Destroy its environment and local populations?
Edited by Marek, Mar 10 2014, 02:47 PM.
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Mar 10 2014, 02:46 PM
Any interspecific conflict post involving humans is a joke. They are essentially all mismatches; smaller animals would be too speedy for a steady dispute, while almost any similarly sized animal will win in two seconds flat. Most humans are not accustomed to fighting, and even panic when confronted with aggressive domestic dogs. An African wild dog is by no means very small, and that dentition is impressive, along with their jumping ability, bite strength, and maneuverability. I can hardly imagine a human winning. How would he? Perhaps he could hold his own for a surprising amount of time, but without clothes, what is he going to do to execute his opponent? Destroy its environment and local populations?
Just because you're a wuss, doesn't mean everyone else is.

Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Edited by Taipan, Mar 10 2014, 08:22 PM.
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"while almost any similarly sized animal will win in two seconds flat."

This is what we call "proof by assertion".
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Kingoftheavians, I'm no admin and I have no right to tell you how to write, but before calling other members "wuss" and "cancer" you may want to read the first rule of this forum:

1. Respect other members. Carnivora Forum expressly forbids defamation, which is the unjust injuring of good reputations. Unfair insults, name-calling, personal attacks, discrimination, prejudice, and argumentum ad hominem are not allowed. Critical statements are acceptable, even if frank, so long as they are true and not derogatory. Such comments are appropriate only if they are fair and relevant, and provide enough evidence (in the form of quotations, references, or images) to demonstrate accuracy. Violating this rule will result in warning, temporary banning, or permanent banning at the discretion of the staff.
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kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
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Mar 11 2014, 01:30 AM
kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
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even though an average man may have a decent size advantage, the awd is quicker and possesses superior weaponry. awd wins.
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Mar 11 2014, 01:38 AM
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Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Yes I would. We are using an average human here, an average human that doesn't have enough time to attack would get killed. Any hungry and determined Lycaon Pictus would kill an average human with ease. The guy can win if he had a weapon or strangled it though, but even then I think strangling it would be hard and he would have his hands bleeding.
I am appalled at the lack of fortitude of some of the posters here.

It's one thing to admit that the opponent stands a strong chance to win. But to outright admit that one would lose and that a weak mind would be the reason for it is just rich.

There are plenty of dogs that tuck in their tails when struck by a cat. Plenty of predators that would run from clearly weaker dogs. Does that mean they would lose?

If you are absolutely incapable to imagine you doing it, imagine something else other than the human equivalent of a zoo animal fighting it.

Pointing to psychological weaknesses of homo sapiens sapiens (that only arose during a fraction of mans natural history) as a reason why he'd lose against an animal that he'd otherwise beat just undermines the point of these threads. Again, it's like using the zoo versions of various animals during a fight.

I have to repeat it: it's saddening to see people openly admit that they would curl into a ball and die if their family's life was at stake. This is an animal that is way smaller than you. Every time it bites you you have a chance to choke it out, even as it bites your throat. (the dog probably has a higher heart rate, so it'll probably pass out first) Even if you die later because of the injuries.
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Mar 10 2014, 07:00 PM
Kingoftheavians, I'm no admin and I have no right to tell you how to write, but before calling other members "wuss" and "cancer" you may want to read the first rule of this forum:

1. Respect other members. Carnivora Forum expressly forbids defamation, which is the unjust injuring of good reputations. Unfair insults, name-calling, personal attacks, discrimination, prejudice, and argumentum ad hominem are not allowed. Critical statements are acceptable, even if frank, so long as they are true and not derogatory. Such comments are appropriate only if they are fair and relevant, and provide enough evidence (in the form of quotations, references, or images) to demonstrate accuracy. Violating this rule will result in warning, temporary banning, or permanent banning at the discretion of the staff.
Thanks for buttressing me Vobby, if that was your intent. :D And everyone else who had similar motives, if that applies.
Edited by Marek, Mar 11 2014, 08:01 AM.
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I wonder if the "average man" people know that the average man throughout human history was far less cushy than the modern western city dweller. We shouldn't use the latter. Makes for farcical outcomes.
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Mar 11 2014, 07:26 AM
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Mar 11 2014, 01:30 AM
kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
You are taking this way out of proportion. Not only have you displayed unrequited impropriety of a shameful degree, but you are creating a straw man; unfortunately, straw catches fire quite nicely. The argument was not mainly psychological, but the point stands. Humans have natural fear responses, especially given that our closest living relatives (all of which are several times superior to us in physical ability) are still preyed upon, mostly by large felids. In the aforementioned circumstance, almost the entire social unit enters a state of panic, and this is beneficial for survival of congregations, because it provides a strong reluctance to stand one's ground (basically allowing the flight reaction). Only the dominant male, and perhaps a few comrades, will retaliate or mount a defense. We are no exception to a rule which is almost indefinitely portrayed in social species that are threatened at all; to propose otherwise is folly. The reaction, unfortunately, works best in situations where the target is not solitary, and does not function at all to aid an actual confrontation (once again, it advises an immediate escape). It is very difficult to overwhelm one's endocrinological, motor, and psychological systems at once.

Again, this was not the heart of my argument; it was a side note which I did not even consider after writing. I have vindicated its applicability, but my stronger case is that humans themselves are inherently unable to fight with any too impressive skill, due merely to our poor build. You are an ignorant and heedless human fanboy. Perhaps you should pit yourself against a giant forest hog, or a perentie; hell, how about a cassowary? What can't humans do? Logical thinking is obviously not too high a priority.
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Mar 11 2014, 07:48 AM
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Kingoftheavians, I'm no admin and I have no right to tell you how to write, but before calling other members "wuss" and "cancer" you may want to read the first rule of this forum:

1. Respect other members. Carnivora Forum expressly forbids defamation, which is the unjust injuring of good reputations. Unfair insults, name-calling, personal attacks, discrimination, prejudice, and argumentum ad hominem are not allowed. Critical statements are acceptable, even if frank, so long as they are true and not derogatory. Such comments are appropriate only if they are fair and relevant, and provide enough evidence (in the form of quotations, references, or images) to demonstrate accuracy. Violating this rule will result in warning, temporary banning, or permanent banning at the discretion of the staff.
Thanks for buttressing me Vobby, if that was your intent. :D
You're welcome :)

On topic, I do think that there are some men which have a decent chance of winning, especially considering that this canid can be quite small. But mostly the human would lose, especially if the dog "hunt" it in the long way, keeping harassing and biting to wear the man down.
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I agree, THAT IS how they fight after all, the dog would hop circles around this guy and when he gets tired or weak and turns his back. Slice and dice baby.
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kingoftheavians
Mar 11 2014, 07:26 AM
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Mar 11 2014, 01:30 AM
kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
That was highly insulting and rude. Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak, inferior, or cowardly. There's likely many girls who could beat the living daylight out of you. Be more respectful before I or someone else reports you to a mod.
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