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African Wild Dog v Human
Topic Started: Jan 5 2014, 01:23 PM (7,024 Views)
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African Wild Dog - Lycaon pictus
Lycaon pictus is a large canid found only in Africa, especially in savannas and lightly wooded areas. It is variously called the African wild dog, African hunting dog, Cape hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, painted hunting dog, spotted dog, or ornate wolf. he scientific name "Lycaon pictus" is derived from the Greek for "wolf" and the Latin for "painted". It is the only canid species to lack dewclaws on the forelimbs. This is the largest African canid and, behind only the gray wolf, is the world's second largest extant wild canid. Adults typically weigh 18–36 kilograms (40–79 lb). A tall, lean animal, it stands about 75 cm (30 in) at the shoulder, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in). Animals in southern Africa are generally larger than those in eastern or western Africa. There is little sexual dimorphism, though judging by skeletal dimensions, males are usually 3-7% larger. The African wild dog's main prey varies among populations but always centers around medium-to-large sized ungulates, such as the impala, Thomson's Gazelle, Springbok, kudu, reedbuck, and wildebeest calves. The most frequent single prey species depends upon season and local availability. For example, in the Serengeti in the 1970s wildebeest (mostly calves) were the most frequently taken species (57%) from January to June, but Thompsons gazelle were the most frequently taken (79%) during the rest of the year.

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Human - Homo sapiens
Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens, Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man") are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago. Humans have a highly developed brain and are capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. Human body types vary substantially. Although body size is largely determined by genes, it is also significantly influenced by environmental factors such as diet and exercise. The average height of an adult human is about 1.5 to 1.8 m (5 to 6 feet) tall, although this varies significantly from place to place and depending on ethnic origin. The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males. Weight can also vary greatly (e.g. obesity). Unlike most other primates, humans are capable of fully bipedal locomotion, thus leaving their arms available for manipulating objects using their hands, aided especially by opposable thumbs.

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Catboy
Jan 4 2014, 10:27 PM
African Wild Dog vs Human (average)
Edited by Taipan, Dec 28 2014, 01:41 PM.
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kingoftheavians
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Mar 11 2014, 08:00 AM
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Mar 11 2014, 07:26 AM
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Mar 11 2014, 01:30 AM
kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
You are taking this way out of proportion. Not only have you displayed unrequited impropriety of a shameful degree, but you are creating a straw man; unfortunately, straw catches fire quite nicely. The argument was not mainly psychological, but the point stands. Humans have natural fear responses, especially given that our closest living relatives (all of which are several times superior to us in physical ability) are still preyed upon, mostly by large felids. In the aforementioned circumstance, almost the entire social unit enters a state of panic, and this is beneficial for survival of congregations, because it provides a strong reluctance to stand one's ground (basically allowing the flight reaction). Only the dominant male, and perhaps a few comrades, will retaliate or mount a defense. We are no exception to a rule which is almost indefinitely portrayed in social species that are threatened at all; to propose otherwise is folly. The reaction, unfortunately, works best in situations where the target is not solitary, and does not function at all to aid an actual confrontation (once again, it advises an immediate escape). It is very difficult to overwhelm one's endocrinological, motor, and psychological systems at once.

Again, this was not the heart of my argument; it was a side note which I did not even consider after writing. I have vindicated its applicability, but my stronger case is that humans themselves are inherently unable to fight with any too impressive skill, due merely to our poor build. You are an ignorant and heedless human fanboy. Perhaps you should pit yourself against a giant forest hog, or a perentie; hell, how about a cassowary? What can't humans do? Logical thinking is obviously not too high a priority.
Pretty sure Giant Forest Hogs are way more dangerous than AWDs lol.

I wouldn't ever fight an AWD voluntarily, but I'll laugh at the person that claims that I'd "panic" and lose for that reason. If I'll lose against such a creature it'll be by my physical inferiority.

I'm fairly certain that AWDs aren't very likely to attack humans because they have some fear of them as well. It's necessary to suspend THAT disbelief to make these matchups feasible.
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Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
That was highly insulting and rude. Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak, inferior, or cowardly. There's likely many girls who could beat the living daylight out of you. Be more respectful before I or someone else reports you to a mod.
Lol. Easy champ.

"Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak"

And yet men aren't allowed to hit them.

Strange.
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Mar 11 2014, 11:15 AM
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Mar 11 2014, 08:18 AM
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Mar 11 2014, 01:30 AM
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Mar 10 2014, 04:00 PM
Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
That was highly insulting and rude. Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak, inferior, or cowardly. There's likely many girls who could beat the living daylight out of you. Be more respectful before I or someone else reports you to a mod.
Lol. Easy champ.

"Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak"

And yet men aren't allowed to hit them.

Strange.
How are you still on this forum? You are so uninhibitedly antagonizing, and yet your insolence has escaped anyone's efforts at eradicating such nuisances from this community? In any case, the giant forest hog was meant to be stronger; it was sarcastic humor nudging at your incredible praise of mankind. African wild dogs tend to avoid humans because they are unfamiliar with them and are unsettled by boldness; this is true for most animals, because it is more efficient to evade imminent conflict than to save the energy of moving away simply to end up waging a battle. Humans generally inform themselves of fauna before interacting with it, so there is little anticipation involved. Anyway, this is in the normal fashion of threads on this forum; we assume that they have a motive to fight and that they will. Nobody ever answers a hypothetical battle saying "I think so and so would get scared and forfeit before the battle starts". And anyway, you say that the canid will probably be incapacitated by psychological responses, but don't think humans are subject to the same indiscriminate rules? And on your asinine remark about women; I can only hope you were joking.
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What the hell are you talking about, I'm not even flaming, lol.

The comment about women was concerning the contradiction between "women aren't weaker" and "don't ever hit women, they are weaker".

You do realize that is a contradiction, right?
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Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
Is that really necessary? Maybe try to debate without insulting someone every other sentence?
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Human win ;)


Edited by RojJones, Mar 11 2014, 05:58 PM.
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Human win 10/10
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kingoftheavians
Mar 11 2014, 07:26 AM
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Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
Funny, this is the second time I hear "You must be a woman." on this forum. Not that I care about what people on the internet think, I am a male.

As for your comment, I don't want to say that this applies to all cases and i know that projections can be wrong, but posting an opposite example proves nothing. If most humans won't panic, but rather develop more strength, why do you always here something like "Don't panic when facing an animal! It often happens that the animal gets provoked like that and then you are in trouble."? Do they say it for the women? It is true that females are far more prone to this, but you can't say every man who fights panically when encountering a wild animal is a wuss. Especially when the animal actually tries to bite him (and maybe even has done so). It's natural to slap back violently and randomly instead of fighting in an intelligent way.

That being said, I am pretty neutral on this matchup (I don't care a lot anyway). I agree that panic does not make this a mismatch in favor of the dog at all.
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Human win 10/10
You must be kidding me
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Exactly; that video shows a man momentarily lifting a moderately small and sickly wolf individual. Am I supposed to be impressed?
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Somebody puts you into an arena with this animal and tells you your family will be erased if you don't kill it. Will you "panic" as well?

Uhm, I would. You can't tell me most persons would fight tranquilly when they know how terrible it would be if they don't win. This can actually increase panic.
You must be a woman.

Most people usually develop ungodly amounts of strength when in a fight or flight situation. (see mothers who lift incredible amounts of weight to save their children)

In other words: projection is not a suitable debating technique.
That was highly insulting and rude. Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak, inferior, or cowardly. There's likely many girls who could beat the living daylight out of you. Be more respectful before I or someone else reports you to a mod.
Lol. Easy champ.

"Just because someone is a woman does not mean that they are weak"

And yet men aren't allowed to hit them.

Strange.
Don't call me anything BUT my name. If you must just call me K or king. And I never said don't hit a girl, if they hit me, I'll hit them back. I don't care what gender someone is, I'd punch anyone if they attack ME.
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Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
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Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
early humans were probably sick all the time, and died by the age of 30. And they were probably weak as hell from barely eating any meat, and fruits, while walking around all day. If not walking, then lying around all day, because they need to conserve energy.
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Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
early humans were probably sick all the time, and died by the age of 30. And they were probably weak as hell from barely eating any meat, and fruits, while walking around all day. If not walking, then lying around all day, because they need to conserve energy.
Yeah and the ancestor of the cape hunting dog, a 90-160 pound(?) Robust canid ate humans all the time. And there's nothing to say that they lived in packs.
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