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African Wild Dog v Human
Topic Started: Jan 5 2014, 01:23 PM (7,022 Views)
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African Wild Dog - Lycaon pictus
Lycaon pictus is a large canid found only in Africa, especially in savannas and lightly wooded areas. It is variously called the African wild dog, African hunting dog, Cape hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, painted hunting dog, spotted dog, or ornate wolf. he scientific name "Lycaon pictus" is derived from the Greek for "wolf" and the Latin for "painted". It is the only canid species to lack dewclaws on the forelimbs. This is the largest African canid and, behind only the gray wolf, is the world's second largest extant wild canid. Adults typically weigh 18–36 kilograms (40–79 lb). A tall, lean animal, it stands about 75 cm (30 in) at the shoulder, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in). Animals in southern Africa are generally larger than those in eastern or western Africa. There is little sexual dimorphism, though judging by skeletal dimensions, males are usually 3-7% larger. The African wild dog's main prey varies among populations but always centers around medium-to-large sized ungulates, such as the impala, Thomson's Gazelle, Springbok, kudu, reedbuck, and wildebeest calves. The most frequent single prey species depends upon season and local availability. For example, in the Serengeti in the 1970s wildebeest (mostly calves) were the most frequently taken species (57%) from January to June, but Thompsons gazelle were the most frequently taken (79%) during the rest of the year.

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Human - Homo sapiens
Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens, Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man") are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago. Humans have a highly developed brain and are capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. Human body types vary substantially. Although body size is largely determined by genes, it is also significantly influenced by environmental factors such as diet and exercise. The average height of an adult human is about 1.5 to 1.8 m (5 to 6 feet) tall, although this varies significantly from place to place and depending on ethnic origin. The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males. Weight can also vary greatly (e.g. obesity). Unlike most other primates, humans are capable of fully bipedal locomotion, thus leaving their arms available for manipulating objects using their hands, aided especially by opposable thumbs.

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Catboy
Jan 4 2014, 10:27 PM
African Wild Dog vs Human (average)
Edited by Taipan, Dec 28 2014, 01:41 PM.
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Mar 12 2014, 07:37 AM
Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
Do you think cavemen walk into ancient troglodyte bars and relate that one time they fought a woolly rhinoceros or dire wolf? I am unsure of the answer to that; do you ever see any topi or impala, far more capable of the feat, carrying scars of the number of spotted hyenas they've killed? We were most assuredly preyed upon, just as much if not more than any other animal. In fact, our remains have been found to have been dined on by a plethora of fauna, and our only escape tactic was to spot predators before they spotted us and then scamper up a tree. After we had evolved duly, we developed tools and control of fire, so we did not need to worry about predators as much, but it was still very much a plight. You are a bit mad if you propose that we went around punching animals; experience is not everything, and if a Wall Street businessman would probably die in two days on the African savanna, a professional martial artist with no animal experience at all would last a little longer. The scariest thing an ancient man would have fought was an angry woman.
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kingoftheavians
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TIKI
Mar 12 2014, 11:24 AM
smoot
Mar 12 2014, 07:37 AM
Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
early humans were probably sick all the time, and died by the age of 30. And they were probably weak as hell from barely eating any meat, and fruits, while walking around all day. If not walking, then lying around all day, because they need to conserve energy.
"early humans were probably sick all the time, and died by the age of 30. "

Hahahahahahahaha.

Google "infant mortality".

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kingoftheavians
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Mar 12 2014, 12:54 PM
smoot
Mar 12 2014, 07:37 AM
Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
Do you think cavemen walk into ancient troglodyte bars and relate that one time they fought a woolly rhinoceros or dire wolf? I am unsure of the answer to that; do you ever see any topi or impala, far more capable of the feat, carrying scars of the number of spotted hyenas they've killed? We were most assuredly preyed upon, just as much if not more than any other animal. In fact, our remains have been found to have been dined on by a plethora of fauna, and our only escape tactic was to spot predators before they spotted us and then scamper up a tree. After we had evolved duly, we developed tools and control of fire, so we did not need to worry about predators as much, but it was still very much a plight. You are a bit mad if you propose that we went around punching animals; experience is not everything, and if a Wall Street businessman would probably die in two days on the African savanna, a professional martial artist with no animal experience at all would last a little longer. The scariest thing an ancient man would have fought was an angry woman.
"You are a bit mad if you propose that we went around punching animals; "

He said no such thing.

By the way, how convenient that humans had tools the moment they came down the trees. Hmmmm.

I find it funny that humans can supposedly beat a Clouded Leopard but get fucked up against an AWD. AWDs are no doubt capable of killing humans. Humans are also capable of killing AWDs. Nobody said the human has to make it without getting injured in the process.
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Robert Downey JR would win
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A motivated man could win most of the time. Though even one single bite from the AWD is very dangerous and should get healed after.
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TIKI
Mar 12 2014, 11:24 AM
smoot
Mar 12 2014, 07:37 AM
Average human - lots have been talking physical size and weight here, which is fine biologically - but what about culturally? Against most urban humans, for whom the only physical conflict they've ever participated in was a scuffle on the playground in grade 3 once, they would probably get taken out by the Wild Dog.

An adult human male circa 30 000BC or so, having grown up fighting all sorts of wildlife for survival, I think would destroy a single Wild Dog, bare-handed. If he couldn't do it, he most likely would not have survived until adulthood anyway.
early humans were probably sick all the time, and died by the age of 30. And they were probably weak as hell from barely eating any meat, and fruits, while walking around all day. If not walking, then lying around all day, because they need to conserve energy.
Most wild animals are not completely healthy either. Also, I am sure these guys were able to handle diseases far better than modern humans (excluding medicine of course, I mean physically). We anyway need to pick two healthy specimens of both combatants.
Besides, 30,000 BC was in the late ice age, there were not many fruits and they needed a lot of energy to handle the temperatures, so I am sure they ate a lot of meat.
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A dedicated man will win easily, a teen can kick with enough force to break a Coyote's ribs, so I think a man can also do that to the AWD.
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I think the human's size advantage is too much here IMHO.
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This guy is probably twice the size of the average male. The average male can't throw around a AWD and outlast it.




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Mar 13 2014, 02:26 AM
A dedicated man will win easily, a teen can kick with enough force to break a Coyote's ribs, so I think a man can also do that to the AWD.
A dog could probably pounce with enough force to break a human's lower ribs as well; ribs aren't all that strong. Breaking them with shoes on? An African wild dog can bite through straight bone and has the highest bite force quotient of any extent Carnivoran; good luck setting down your canid for a penalty shot while he's trying to rip your arm off. I forget; did you have a point?
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Hatzegopteryx
Mar 13 2014, 02:26 AM
A dedicated man will win easily, a teen can kick with enough force to break a Coyote's ribs, so I think a man can also do that to the AWD.
Yes, most adulst could generate that force on a static object. Landing it is a different proposition entirely. Even the slightest bit of lateral movement away from the kick takes out a lot of the force.

Don't believe me? Go to your local boxing club with a mate, hit the bag for a bit then spar with your mate. Big difference. You'll barely land a thing
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