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Sumatran Tiger 17 (85%)
Cyprus Dwarf Elephant 3 (15%)
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Sumatran Tiger v Cyprus Dwarf Elephant
Topic Started: Feb 23 2014, 04:52 PM (4,654 Views)
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Sumatran Tiger - Panthera tigris sumatrae
The Sumatran tiger (Panthera tigris sumatrae) is a tiger subspecies that inhabits the Indonesian island of Sumatra and has been classified as critically endangered by IUCN in 2008 as the population is projected at 176 to 271 mature individuals, with no subpopulation having an effective population size larger than 50 individuals, with a declining trend. The Sumatran tiger is the only surviving member of the Sunda Islands group of tigers that included the now extinct Bali tiger and Javan tiger. The Sumatran tiger is the smallest of the tiger subspecies as compared to the Siberian tiger which is the largest. Sumatran male tigers average 8 feet (2.438m) in length from head to tail and weigh about 265 lbs.(120.2 kg). Females average 7 feet (2.134 m) in length and weigh about 200 lbs (90.718 kg). The smaller size of the Sumatran tiger makes it easier to move quickly through the jungle. Also, their stripes are narrower than other tiger species. The tiger's patterned coloring is an adaptation for camouflage in their natural habitat, which is often tall grass. The males, especially, have a more bearded and maned appearance in which neck and cheek hair are well developed. Sumatran tigers commonly prey on larger ungulates like wild pig, Malayan Tapir, and deer, and sometimes also smaller animals such as fowl, monkeys, and fish.

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Cyprus Dwarf Elephant - Palaeoloxodon cypriotes
The Cyprus dwarf elephant (Palaeoloxodon cypriotes) is an extinct species of elephant related to the living Asian elephant. Cyprus Dwarf Elephants were part of the prehistoric group of elephants who lived on islands during the Pleistocene epoch. Some other related species of elephants during this time were the genera Mammuthus, Elephas, and Stegodon; the genus Mammuthus includes the Woolly Mammoth, the genus Elephas includes the modern elephants, and the genus Stegodon includes offsets of genus Mammuthus. Believed to be descended from the straight-tusked elephant, this much smaller species inhabited Cyprus and some other Mediterranean islands after the Messinian salinity crisis, during the Late Pleistocene. Its estimated body weight was only some 200 kilogrammes, a weight reduction of 98% from its ancestors which weighed about 10 tonnes. The molars are less reduced in scale, being some 40% of the size of the mainland straight-tusked elephants. The factors responsible for the dwarfing of island mammals are thought to include the reduction in food availability, predation and competition. The Cyprus dwarf elephant roamed the world at least until 11,000 BC. Remains of the first Cyprus Dwarf Elephant were discovered and documented by Dorothea Bate in 1902. She found the fossilized bones of the elephant in a cave in the Kyrenia hills of Cyprus. The species is also known under a synonym as Elephas cypriotes bate, which commemorates the paleontologist Dorothea Bate.

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Feb 23 2014, 03:49 PM
bali tiger/sumratran tiger vs cyprus dwarf elephant
Edited by Taipan, Jun 3 2017, 10:40 PM.
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Tiger should win. I don't know if this elephant was as robust as modern ones but the tiger should take this given this elephant is only about 60 kgs heavier.
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Panthera tigris sumatrae should...... w. i. n.
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Though not always right, the OP does (indirectly) suggest the elephant is 66+% heavier than a male Sumatran tiger (200/120.2=1.66389351082-1=0.66389351082*100=66.389351082%). That's a huge weight advantage by the way. That's like 500 lb. vs. 831.5 lb.

Edit: to anyone reading this, disregard my later posts. I favor the tiger now.
Edited by Ausar, Jan 6 2015, 01:32 PM.
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Yes but weight alone isn't enough if that elephant was as robust as modern ones it'll be able to withstand damage and throw the tiger around. If not ie if it's just fat the tiger takes this. Hell Bengal tigers can take a prey twice their size!
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Size does matter, but we have so many examples of matches were size is merely a minor factor that doesn't matter at all. Tigers are better fighters, but this Elephant is pretty big compared to it (and both animals are big technically). I till remain undecided though.
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Why wouldn't we assume that it was built like modern elephants? Is there anything going against the idea? No? Then the elephant should win.
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Who said it wasn't built like a modern Elephant?
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First off its much much smaller than its ancestor that weighed 10000 kgs. Then you must realize that tigers don't need a size advantage to bring down prey. A Bengal tiger can kill a bovine 3 times larger than itself. And this tiger won't be less capable. I say tiger should take this 80% of times. It won't be easy, but most prey items don't go down with ease. I think this is predator prey situation.
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We don't even have a clear photo of this animal. In case you don't know animals change over a change of several millenniums. Not all animals are crocs. And even if it was like the modern elephant the tiger will still win.
Edited by Molosser, Feb 23 2014, 11:25 PM.
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First off its much much smaller than its ancestor that weighed 10000 kgs.


Other than that, there were almost (if any) no other differences.

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Then you must realize that tigers don't need a size advantage to bring down prey. A Bengal tiger can kill a bovine 3 times larger than itself. And this tiger won't be less capable.


Key word, "Bengal". You don't have a good reason as to why it will be as capable as one.

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Who said it wasn't built like a modern Elephant?


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Yes but weight alone isn't enough if that elephant was as robust as modern ones it'll be able to withstand damage and throw the tiger around. If not ie if it's just fat the tiger takes this. Hell Bengal tigers can take a prey twice their size!


No one sees what he appears to be implying?
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Feb 23 2014, 11:22 PM
We don't even have a clear photo of this animal. In case you don't know animals change over a change of several millenniums. Not all animals are crocs. And even if it was like the modern elephant the tiger will still win.
Except there don't seem to have been any other differences other than size. Other dwarf proboscideans don't seem that much if at all, less robust than their larger ancestors, why would these ones be different?

The elephant takes this at least roughly 55%.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2014, 11:27 PM.
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This tiger is same as Bengal tiger. Its just small due to a phenomenon known a island dwarfism. Google it and do some research. It's the same as any tiger that's why it's classified as pantehra tigris. Next time do some research before posting. Sigh.
Edited by Molosser, Feb 23 2014, 11:33 PM.
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Elephant stands no more than a 25% chance!
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Feb 23 2014, 11:28 PM
This tiger is same as Bengal tiger. Its just small due to a phenomenon known a island dwarfism. Google it and do some research. It's the same as any tiger that's why it's classified as pantehra tigris. Next tome do some reach before posting. Sigh.
I'm the one who needs to do research? Spare me. A bengal tiger is Panthera tigris tigris, this is Panthera tigris sumatrae. How about you do some research, because you're clearly not as knowledgeable as you believe. Even if the latter came from the former, it's not actually it anymore, and won't have the same physical abilities.

Don't sound as if I don't know what island dwarfism is, you're not the only one here who knows. Everyone knows we're talking a small Panthera tigris here, and we're also using a small Palaeoloxodon. If a smaller tiger should be like a larger one, why would it be different with an elephant? But the thing is, a smaller tiger won't be quite like a larger one. Admittedly, the same applies to the elephant, but again, 66+% heavier.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2014, 11:47 PM.
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