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Sumatran Tiger v Cyprus Dwarf Elephant
Topic Started: Feb 23 2014, 04:52 PM (4,656 Views)
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Sumatran Tiger - Panthera tigris sumatrae
The Sumatran tiger (Panthera tigris sumatrae) is a tiger subspecies that inhabits the Indonesian island of Sumatra and has been classified as critically endangered by IUCN in 2008 as the population is projected at 176 to 271 mature individuals, with no subpopulation having an effective population size larger than 50 individuals, with a declining trend. The Sumatran tiger is the only surviving member of the Sunda Islands group of tigers that included the now extinct Bali tiger and Javan tiger. The Sumatran tiger is the smallest of the tiger subspecies as compared to the Siberian tiger which is the largest. Sumatran male tigers average 8 feet (2.438m) in length from head to tail and weigh about 265 lbs.(120.2 kg). Females average 7 feet (2.134 m) in length and weigh about 200 lbs (90.718 kg). The smaller size of the Sumatran tiger makes it easier to move quickly through the jungle. Also, their stripes are narrower than other tiger species. The tiger's patterned coloring is an adaptation for camouflage in their natural habitat, which is often tall grass. The males, especially, have a more bearded and maned appearance in which neck and cheek hair are well developed. Sumatran tigers commonly prey on larger ungulates like wild pig, Malayan Tapir, and deer, and sometimes also smaller animals such as fowl, monkeys, and fish.

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Cyprus Dwarf Elephant - Palaeoloxodon cypriotes
The Cyprus dwarf elephant (Palaeoloxodon cypriotes) is an extinct species of elephant related to the living Asian elephant. Cyprus Dwarf Elephants were part of the prehistoric group of elephants who lived on islands during the Pleistocene epoch. Some other related species of elephants during this time were the genera Mammuthus, Elephas, and Stegodon; the genus Mammuthus includes the Woolly Mammoth, the genus Elephas includes the modern elephants, and the genus Stegodon includes offsets of genus Mammuthus. Believed to be descended from the straight-tusked elephant, this much smaller species inhabited Cyprus and some other Mediterranean islands after the Messinian salinity crisis, during the Late Pleistocene. Its estimated body weight was only some 200 kilogrammes, a weight reduction of 98% from its ancestors which weighed about 10 tonnes. The molars are less reduced in scale, being some 40% of the size of the mainland straight-tusked elephants. The factors responsible for the dwarfing of island mammals are thought to include the reduction in food availability, predation and competition. The Cyprus dwarf elephant roamed the world at least until 11,000 BC. Remains of the first Cyprus Dwarf Elephant were discovered and documented by Dorothea Bate in 1902. She found the fossilized bones of the elephant in a cave in the Kyrenia hills of Cyprus. The species is also known under a synonym as Elephas cypriotes bate, which commemorates the paleontologist Dorothea Bate.

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Feb 23 2014, 03:49 PM
bali tiger/sumratran tiger vs cyprus dwarf elephant
Edited by Taipan, Jun 3 2017, 10:40 PM.
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Hatzegopteryx
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crxgalaxy, Bengal Tigers are more robust and they need to be more robust due to the square cube law. That's why an ant isn't stronger than a man at parity. That's also why pound per pound means nothing. And stop the baseless speculation of it looking different.
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Ok even if it's built like an elephant it stands very little chance. Tigers hunt and kill prey larger than themselves. this tiger will kill a herbivore 2 times its size. Being just 60% bigger isn't enough.
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Ok even if it's built like an elephant it stands very little chance. Tigers hunt and kill prey larger than themselves. this tiger will kill a herbivore 2 times its size. Being just 60% bigger isn't enough.
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Feb 23 2014, 11:39 PM
Ok even if it's built like an elephant it stands very little chance. Tigers hunt and kill prey larger than themselves. this tiger will kill a herbivore 2 times its size. Being just 60% bigger isn't enough.
In a fight to the death where the twice as heavy herbivore wanted to kill the tiger just as much as vice versa, who would win? If you favor the latter, then I cannot go anywhere on from that point.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2014, 11:43 PM.
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Hatzegopteryx
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221.2*(243.8/270)³ = 162.85

A Bengal Tiger, scaled isometrically to a Sumatran Tiger's length, weighs ~162.85kg. It is larger at length parity which obviously means it's more robust.
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Hatzegopteryx
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crxgalaxy, this isn't a Bengal Tiger, and this isn't a Gaur. It just does not work comparing them.
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Edited by Molosser, Feb 23 2014, 11:45 PM.
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I'm going to interpret that as a triple post mistake.

Elephant wins at least 55% IMO.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2014, 11:46 PM.
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Hatzegopteryx
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That's trivia, it isn't important and/or relevant anyway.
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Good God people. even a leopard can kill a herbivore 2 times is size. are leopards more robust too? Tiger wins hands down. How is the elephant gonna kill the tiger? By stomping it?
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crxgalaxy
Feb 23 2014, 11:47 PM
Good God people. even a leopard can kill a herbivore 2 times is size. are leopards more robust too? Tiger wins hands down. How is the elephant gonna kill the tiger? By stomping it?
Elephants have tusks...........
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2014, 11:53 PM.
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I actually think the Tiger should win more often than not. Dinopithecus, 55% in favour of the Elephant is virtually a draw, so I feel inclined to agree. I said the Tiger would win more often than not IMO, but it's still a draw in my perspective.
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Feb 23 2014, 11:47 PM
Good God people. even a leopard can kill a herbivore 2 times is size. are leopards more robust too? Tiger wins hands down. How is the elephant gonna kill the tiger? By stomping it?
Leopards don't kill 120-180kg Elephants.
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Hatzegopteryx
Feb 23 2014, 11:48 PM
I actually think the Tiger should win more often than not. Dinopithecus, 55% in favour of the Elephant is virtually a draw, so I feel inclined to agree. I said the Tiger would win more often than not IMO, but it's still a draw in my perspective.
I can understand why one would favor the tiger, and their look at things is fine to be honest, just that I don't see things quite the way they do.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2014, 11:53 PM.
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No, leopard s kill 200 kg wildebeests!

And not all elephants have tusks. Even those who gave tusks don't always have long tusks suitable for killing. Some have useless downward tusks. Plus goring an agile athletic cat is not easy. Not at all.
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