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| Sumatran Tiger v Cyprus Dwarf Elephant | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 23 2014, 04:52 PM (4,655 Views) | |
| Taipan | Feb 23 2014, 04:52 PM Post #1 |
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Sumatran Tiger - Panthera tigris sumatrae The Sumatran tiger (Panthera tigris sumatrae) is a tiger subspecies that inhabits the Indonesian island of Sumatra and has been classified as critically endangered by IUCN in 2008 as the population is projected at 176 to 271 mature individuals, with no subpopulation having an effective population size larger than 50 individuals, with a declining trend. The Sumatran tiger is the only surviving member of the Sunda Islands group of tigers that included the now extinct Bali tiger and Javan tiger. The Sumatran tiger is the smallest of the tiger subspecies as compared to the Siberian tiger which is the largest. Sumatran male tigers average 8 feet (2.438m) in length from head to tail and weigh about 265 lbs.(120.2 kg). Females average 7 feet (2.134 m) in length and weigh about 200 lbs (90.718 kg). The smaller size of the Sumatran tiger makes it easier to move quickly through the jungle. Also, their stripes are narrower than other tiger species. The tiger's patterned coloring is an adaptation for camouflage in their natural habitat, which is often tall grass. The males, especially, have a more bearded and maned appearance in which neck and cheek hair are well developed. Sumatran tigers commonly prey on larger ungulates like wild pig, Malayan Tapir, and deer, and sometimes also smaller animals such as fowl, monkeys, and fish. ![]() Cyprus Dwarf Elephant - Palaeoloxodon cypriotes The Cyprus dwarf elephant (Palaeoloxodon cypriotes) is an extinct species of elephant related to the living Asian elephant. Cyprus Dwarf Elephants were part of the prehistoric group of elephants who lived on islands during the Pleistocene epoch. Some other related species of elephants during this time were the genera Mammuthus, Elephas, and Stegodon; the genus Mammuthus includes the Woolly Mammoth, the genus Elephas includes the modern elephants, and the genus Stegodon includes offsets of genus Mammuthus. Believed to be descended from the straight-tusked elephant, this much smaller species inhabited Cyprus and some other Mediterranean islands after the Messinian salinity crisis, during the Late Pleistocene. Its estimated body weight was only some 200 kilogrammes, a weight reduction of 98% from its ancestors which weighed about 10 tonnes. The molars are less reduced in scale, being some 40% of the size of the mainland straight-tusked elephants. The factors responsible for the dwarfing of island mammals are thought to include the reduction in food availability, predation and competition. The Cyprus dwarf elephant roamed the world at least until 11,000 BC. Remains of the first Cyprus Dwarf Elephant were discovered and documented by Dorothea Bate in 1902. She found the fossilized bones of the elephant in a cave in the Kyrenia hills of Cyprus. The species is also known under a synonym as Elephas cypriotes bate, which commemorates the paleontologist Dorothea Bate. (Sorry - can't find a picture!)
Edited by Taipan, Jun 3 2017, 10:40 PM.
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 23 2014, 11:57 PM Post #31 |
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Stop the baseless speculation with the tusks. Also, they don't kill Wildebeests in a DAILY BASIS, and Wildebeests are still not robust like Elephants. |
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| Ausar | Feb 24 2014, 12:00 AM Post #32 |
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Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
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AFAIK, all members of the Elephantidae I know had them as the default condition.
In interspecific conflict, I think we assume one with sufficient tusk length to kill.
Except we're not talking about those elephants here.
Which is why it won't be easy, but in the end, will help it stand a chance. I'll even go as far as to say 50/50, if it makes you feel better. |
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| Molosser | Feb 24 2014, 12:10 AM Post #33 |
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We know nothing about this elephant. The only baseless assumptions are the ones made by you guys about the tusks. plus tusks are only effective if the elephant is charging once the tiger knocks this elephant down and grabs the throat its game over. Anyway, how long were this elephants tusks (if it had any)? How dangerous are they compared to the tigers canines and claws? I don't want anyone to say anything. I'm just explaining my opinion. |
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 24 2014, 12:16 AM Post #34 |
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Tigers aren't jesus dude, and you are making baseless speculations of it not having tusks while basically any other member of its family had tusks. We ALL know what this line of thought is called, and most people don't have the kindest words about it. |
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| Ausar | Feb 24 2014, 12:17 AM Post #35 |
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Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
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I wouldn't say that.
I believe it had tusks like its larger ancestor, basing off its, well, larger relatives. You're assuming it had useless, if any tusks, based off..........
Getting to the throat seems hard on an elephant, I think a nape bite will be more effective, which again, is why I think this is close.
I think it was most likely in proportion to its size like larger Palaeoloxodon.
So am I. Edit: ok, I did some thinking, but you guys convinced me. I favor the tiger now, but not easily. Edited by Ausar, May 19 2014, 06:24 AM.
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 24 2014, 12:21 AM Post #36 |
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How does a far smaller Tiger knock an Elephant to the ground? It would be more like the other way around. |
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| Molosser | Feb 24 2014, 12:24 AM Post #37 |
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@ Hatzegopteryx i'm a catholic dude and I hope u respect my feelings and stop using these comparisons. I favored the African elephant against a 10 tons croc before cause I know a lot about it. But this one? No I still believe the tiger will win. |
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 24 2014, 12:28 AM Post #38 |
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What's so wrong about what I said? I only aid they weren't so powerful, and I am sorry if I offended you although that's a bit sensitive. And if you don't know much about it why are you assuming it should lose virtually all the time? (85% is pretty close to 100%). Since this is said to be related to Elephants just scale an Elephant down. |
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| Vivyx | Feb 24 2014, 12:31 AM Post #39 |
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Never mind I think the tiger wins.
Edited by Vivyx, Dec 3 2015, 02:16 AM.
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 24 2014, 12:33 AM Post #40 |
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Tigers are also pretty good fighters, it's 50/50 IMHO. |
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| Vivyx | Feb 24 2014, 12:34 AM Post #41 |
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this is a deleted post
Edited by Vivyx, Dec 3 2015, 02:17 AM.
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 24 2014, 12:38 AM Post #42 |
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Anything close to 50/50 sounds about right, 60/40 sounds a bit like pushing it but still reasonable. |
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| retic | Feb 24 2014, 03:40 AM Post #43 |
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i favor the elephant here due to its size advantage and its tusks.by ambush. |
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| Hatzegopteryx | Feb 24 2014, 03:57 AM Post #44 |
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Yeah, they kill Gaur by ambush but I haven't heard of Tigers killing the former on a face-to-face battle. |
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| 1.0reef | Feb 24 2014, 04:17 AM Post #45 |
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Uhhh, look up the elephant, I found like 50 pics of skeletons. You see, there's a magical creature called google that has access to a TON of information. |
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