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Wolverine v Human
Topic Started: Mar 8 2014, 09:42 PM (22,008 Views)
Taipan
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Wolverine - Gulo gulo
The Wolverine is a stocky and muscular animal, considered carnivorous but known on occasion to eat plant material. It has glossy brown hair with stripes of yellow along the sides. The fur is long and dense and does not retain much water, making it very resistant to frost in the wolverine's cold habitat (this has led to some popularity amongst hunters and trappers for its use as a lining in jackets and parkas). The adult Wolverine is about the size of a medium dog, with a length in the usual range of 65-87 cm (25-34 inches), a tail of 17-26 cm (7-10 inches), and weight of 10-20 kg (22-45 lb). Males of the species are as much as 30 percent larger than the females. In appearance the Wolverine resembles a small bear with a long tail. It has been known to give off a very strong, extremely unpleasant odor, giving rise to the nicknames "skunk bear" and "nasty cat."

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Human - Homo sapiens
Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens, Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man") are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago. Humans have a highly developed brain and are capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. Human body types vary substantially. Although body size is largely determined by genes, it is also significantly influenced by environmental factors such as diet and exercise. The average height of an adult human is about 1.5 to 1.8 m (5 to 6 feet) tall, although this varies significantly from place to place and depending on ethnic origin. The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males. Weight can also vary greatly (e.g. obesity). Unlike most other primates, humans are capable of fully bipedal locomotion, thus leaving their arms available for manipulating objects using their hands, aided especially by opposable thumbs.

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kingoftheavians
Mar 8 2014, 07:35 AM
Wolverine v Human
Edited by Taipan, Dec 28 2014, 02:00 PM.
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kingkazma
Mar 10 2014, 12:50 AM
Hatzegopteryx
Mar 10 2014, 12:14 AM
Are you guys serious? This isn't a mismatch, jesus christ.
Yes it is. More than half the people here can kill a wolverine.
lol lol Are you kidding?
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a determined human should win this.
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kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:06 PM
Cute. In the real world, adrenaline leads to people often failing to notice their serious injuries. I've seen MMA fighters fail to notice their ripped eyelids and (open) broken toes.
Normally, people don't get adrenaline to fight an animal with this big of a reputation that often.
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Mar 10 2014, 06:40 PM
kingoftheavians
Mar 10 2014, 04:06 PM
Palaeogirl
Mar 10 2014, 04:09 AM
A human definitely has the capability to kill the Wolverine, but I think theres a pretty good chance that shock and panic will take over when the Wolverine starts ripping into the human's leg. 6/4 in favour of the human.
"but I think theres a pretty good chance that shock and panic will take over when the Wolverine starts ripping into the human's leg."

Cute. In the real world, adrenaline leads to people often failing to notice their serious injuries. I've seen MMA fighters fail to notice their ripped eyelids and (open) broken toes.
In the real world most people would react with fear and become unfocused.
So? Do you realize how unhelpful that is? Yes, city people who barely see foxes might react scared. And tame wolves that have never spent a day in nature might fight way below their abilities as well. Bottomline: we want to compare how strong and formidable each species is. To point out that many humans would react weirdly is like taking zoo populations into account when talking about other animals.

It destroys the premise of the thread. OF COURSE it's a human that actually uses it's abilities to full advantage. If you're really going for "realism" then most of these threads wouldn't even happen because they don't normally fight in nature and certainly not in this manner.
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50/50
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GuloLuscus
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This fight is not so black and white as so many people want it to be. A smart human will use its legs and run from any angry carnivore.


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Taipan has presented a very nice size comparison from Mr. Kroschel's page and it clearly shows that this is not a small animal. This is not a chihuahua or raccoon that you can easily bash to death to pick up and hurl away, this is an animal that can be between 40-60 pounds. So, yeah, picking it up and throwing it away from you or even kicking it away, is not the easiest thing to do. Most people have issues lifting and tossing 60 pounds, let alone 60 pounds with swiping paws and biting teeth. As stated, the smart person runs from an angry wolverine.

But, let's say you have no where to go, you're naked and in a Roman Colosseum and are forced to fight the wolverine with your bare hands. Once again, if you have the space, you run and you hope that the wolverine tires before you. Wolverines are not fast, so it's easy to out pace one. However, should the wolverine catch up, you have some major problems.

First off, as mentioned by another user, these animals can leap/lunge and they typically do so when fighting, so that is what an angry wolverine is likely to do first off. If the wolverine lunges at your chest/stomach, you had better pry that fucker off as fast as you can, as those claws can do some major damage to that part of the body and of course, if the wolverine is attached to your mid-section, that brings those jaws closer to your neck and face. You don't want that, so you would need to bash the wolverine's head as much as you can to get it to let go. The wolverine has very large human-hand-sized paws with five toes and fives curved claws each, so you cannot just push the thing off, you really have to pry those claws off.

If the wolverine lunges and grapples your legs, you're not just going to kick it off either. Keep in mind that this is an animal that can be 40-60 pounds, and that is 40-60 pounds that is most likely trying to pull you down to its level. On top of that, if the wolverine is trying to pull you down, pulling back upon your leg, and you're licking your leg, your leg is going to sustain claw damage, those claws, curved and cat-like, most likely digging in nice and deep and allowing the wolverine to hang onto you relentlessly. Each kick is going to cause those claws to rip your flesh and the wolverine is most likely to tighten its grip. Also, kicking brings up another issue, and that issue is balance. If you are trying to kick a heavy animal off of you and are left with one foot to stand upon, there is a good chance that you are going to lose your balance and be brought down to the wolverine's level by falling upon your ass, a level where the wolverine can then go for more vital parts of the body.

If the wolverine does get you down to its level, your best bet is to keep it away from your face via kicking feet and a punching fist. To these attacks, the wolverine is likely to answer with its teeth and yeah, those jaws, designed to crush frozen meet and bone, can do some serious damage. However, it better to sustain hand/arm/foot damage than stomach, chest, neck or face damage.

The way for a man to win is either to avoid the fight from the start or by beating the animal as much as you can via foot or fist and keeping the animal away from your vital parts. Can you kill the wolverine with your hands? Most likely, but as stated, this is not an easy task.

You can see in this staged video here how a wolverine uses its claws and weight to try to drag the wolf down. This style of attack is pretty much what the wolverine will use against any adversary.



Somewhere I also have a staged Russian video of a wolverine attacking a man's foot. The man is wearing a boot and the video shows how good a wolverine's grip can be, even against hard leather. I'll try to find this video.

Lastly, another user stated that a determined human should win this encounter and yeah, that pretty much sums it up right there. Determined.
Edited by GuloLuscus, Mar 12 2014, 08:39 AM.
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Found the Russian video and it's not as good as I remember. But, here it is anyhow. The clip starts around 23:25.

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Hey guys I got an idea. Lets pit a Wolverine against a Gorilla and see if there are actually people who will vote for the Wolverine.

That will definitely show how overrated Wolverines are. lol
Edited by DinosaurMichael, Mar 12 2014, 08:54 AM.
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Mar 12 2014, 08:54 AM
Hey guys I got an idea. Lets pit a Wolverine against a Gorilla and see if there are actually people who will vote for the Wolverine.

That will definitely show how overrated Wolverines are. lol
I love wolverines, but I won't vote for it. Hell, I didn't vote for it here either.

However, anyone who says that it's the human 100%, clearly hasn't looked at all the possible fight variations and variables.
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GuloLuscus
Mar 12 2014, 08:59 AM
DinosaurMichael
Mar 12 2014, 08:54 AM
Hey guys I got an idea. Lets pit a Wolverine against a Gorilla and see if there are actually people who will vote for the Wolverine.

That will definitely show how overrated Wolverines are. lol
I love wolverines, but I won't vote for it. Hell, I didn't vote for it here either.

However, anyone who says that it's the human 100%, clearly hasn't looked at all the possible fight variations and variables.
i agree, the human definitely isn't winning this 100% of the time.
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Seeing the size comparison, human 7/10
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Mar 12 2014, 09:30 AM
Seeing the size comparison, human 7/10
Size is not always relevant. The winner of the fight is often the best equipped and the most determined.

The wolverine, though smaller, is definitely better equipped to fight. Humans do not have claws and unless you're Mike Tyson, your teeth are also pretty damned useless. The wolverine, on the other hand, has those claws and teeth to fight with.

Also, humans are bi-peds, relying on two legs to stand and for balance. If you lose use of a leg, due to a wolverine or any other large animal clinging to and pulling upon it, you're balance is most likely to be thrown off, thus, you fall and are brought down to the animal's fighting level.

Without a tool, this is just not an easy fight for your average human.
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Mar 12 2014, 09:38 AM
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Mar 12 2014, 09:30 AM
Seeing the size comparison, human 7/10
Size is not always relevant. The winner of the fight is often the best equipped and the most determined.

The wolverine, though smaller, is definitely better equipped to fight. Humans do not have claws and unless you're Mike Tyson, your teeth are also pretty damned useless. The wolverine, on the other hand, has those claws and teeth to fight with.

Also, humans are bi-peds, relying on two legs to stand and for balance. If you lose use of a leg, due to a wolverine or any other large animal clinging to and pulling upon it, you're balance is most likely to be thrown off, thus, you fall and are brought down to the animal's fighting level.

Without a tool, this is just not an easy fight for your average human.
I don't know if you are a wolverine fanboy or not, but I will assume that to be the case, because you have the specific and subspecific names of the American wolverine as your username. That having been said, you do present undeniable evidence of the wolverine's ferocity and martial prowess. I have yet to see any refutation from the human supporters that is anything more than miserably futile. We have to assume that the representative of our species is a single male, at most 1.8 meters in height (and that is really pressing it), with no clothing or specialized weaponry. The conditions of the match having been established, I see absolutely no feasible instance of defeat for even a substandard wolverine specimen. Mustelids are notoriously savage. Least weasels, the smallest terrestrial mammals on Earth, tackle fucking hares. Giant otters will playfully agitate crocodilians, and some have killed younger individuals. Wolverines themselves sometimes kill wolves, and there is a single account of a polar bear succumbing to one (allow me to reiterate; the largest fucking terrestrial carnivore on the planet was killed by one of these). Humans have been slaughtered by even medium-sized domesticated dogs more often than most people here care to reference to any way but slyly, and I have no doubt that a wolverine would have little difficulty in dispatching even an impressive male (I can hardly say the same for the reverse; in fact, I can hardly imagine a human being able to pry an enthusiastic wolverine from his calf). If the human is not eventually vanquished by the glutton directly, he would be afforded to elapse enough of his life by the mercy of the beast to die from blood loss or severe injury. In any hypothetical carrying out of events, I certainly do not see the human securing the victory, because how would he do that? I have pointed out our inability to deliver death blows before, and will do so again. We can at most hope to choke the wolverine to its death, and I can't name one human who could do so all the while dodging the tenacious jaws of the wolverine, AND even if that resort was successful at first, he would be vulnerable to the overpowering strength and horrifying claws of the animal. I have seen wolverine admirers at their worst, but this is, sadly, not the lowest point of human fanboys. There is some dignity in accepting one's inaptitude; there is none in outright denying it.
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Mar 12 2014, 10:18 AM
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Humans have been slaughtered by even medium-sized domesticated dogs more often than most people here care to reference to any way but slyly


Indeed. And dogs don't have claws with which to grapple you, thus no claw damage, all teeth.

I mean, shit, if humans are so great at killing animals bare-handed, then certainly we wouldn't have had to develop tools for trapping and killing them.

People need to stop looking only at the size and intelligence differences. These things can often be irrelevant.
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Mar 10 2014, 07:29 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 12:14 AM
Are you guys serious? This isn't a mismatch, jesus christ.
Yes it is. More than half the people here can kill a wolverine.
lol lol Are you kidding?
No. The majority of people here are grown men. You could throw, slam,stomp, kick, punt, punch, choke,break bones and necks. Imo the human wins.
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