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Wolverine v Human
Topic Started: Mar 8 2014, 09:42 PM (22,006 Views)
Taipan
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Wolverine - Gulo gulo
The Wolverine is a stocky and muscular animal, considered carnivorous but known on occasion to eat plant material. It has glossy brown hair with stripes of yellow along the sides. The fur is long and dense and does not retain much water, making it very resistant to frost in the wolverine's cold habitat (this has led to some popularity amongst hunters and trappers for its use as a lining in jackets and parkas). The adult Wolverine is about the size of a medium dog, with a length in the usual range of 65-87 cm (25-34 inches), a tail of 17-26 cm (7-10 inches), and weight of 10-20 kg (22-45 lb). Males of the species are as much as 30 percent larger than the females. In appearance the Wolverine resembles a small bear with a long tail. It has been known to give off a very strong, extremely unpleasant odor, giving rise to the nicknames "skunk bear" and "nasty cat."

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Human - Homo sapiens
Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens, Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man") are the only living species in the Homo genus. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago. Humans have a highly developed brain and are capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. Human body types vary substantially. Although body size is largely determined by genes, it is also significantly influenced by environmental factors such as diet and exercise. The average height of an adult human is about 1.5 to 1.8 m (5 to 6 feet) tall, although this varies significantly from place to place and depending on ethnic origin. The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males. Weight can also vary greatly (e.g. obesity). Unlike most other primates, humans are capable of fully bipedal locomotion, thus leaving their arms available for manipulating objects using their hands, aided especially by opposable thumbs.

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kingoftheavians
Mar 8 2014, 07:35 AM
Wolverine v Human
Edited by Taipan, Dec 28 2014, 02:00 PM.
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221extra
Mar 14 2014, 03:59 PM
Marek
Mar 14 2014, 03:12 PM
Wolverines tend to way closer to 25 kg.
Wolverines tend to be well under 25kgs:
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How much does a wolverine weigh?

There is sexual dimorphism in the wolverine, with a typical adult female weighing 8-10 kg (17.6-22 lbs.) and adult male 12-14 kg (26.4-30.8 lbs.).We are not aware of a documented weight of a wild adult in excess of 20.5 kg (45 lbs.). The largest individual (male) that we are aware of weighed 25 kg (55 lbs.) and was born and raised in captivity.


http://wolverinefoundation.org/resources/faqs#10
Encyclopedia Britannica seems to disagree. I have no way of verifying either claim of ranges, so I admit that this is a tenuous point of discussion. However, 20 kg is a reasonable weight, especially for a candidate to be used in this battle specifically, and it is still a hefty burden to have to fight against. That is about the weight of a full water cooler.
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When two sources disagree in this way, is usually becouse one states also the weight of captive individuals I guess. If the wolverine foundation don't know accounts of wolverine weighing more than 20,5 kg we should consider an average 15 kg wolverine for this fight, and just this seems to be a little too much.
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221extra
Mar 14 2014, 03:59 PM
Marek
Mar 14 2014, 03:12 PM
Wolverines tend to way closer to 25 kg.
Wolverines tend to be well under 25kgs:
The Wolverine Foundation
 

How much does a wolverine weigh?

There is sexual dimorphism in the wolverine, with a typical adult female weighing 8-10 kg (17.6-22 lbs.) and adult male 12-14 kg (26.4-30.8 lbs.).We are not aware of a documented weight of a wild adult in excess of 20.5 kg (45 lbs.). The largest individual (male) that we are aware of weighed 25 kg (55 lbs.) and was born and raised in captivity.


http://wolverinefoundation.org/resources/faqs#10
I have read accounts of European wolverines weighing over 50 pounds and I'll have to find them when I have more time.

I have contacted and donated to the Wolverine Foundation on multiple accounts and know that they are based out of Idaho. The majority of their research is done in Idaho and Montana and the majority of North American wolverines live within Canada and Alaska, outside of their main study zone. I have a pretty good feeling about there being larger males in BC and AK that have yet to be captured and tagged.

Regardless, this is still an animal that is not easy to lift, the task made more difficult thanks for the wolverine's weaponry. Once again, you can see in the photos that have been posted to this thread that this is not a small animal and if you look at the wolverine vs wolf video, it also offers a decent size comparison.
Edited by GuloLuscus, Mar 14 2014, 08:23 PM.
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Mar 14 2014, 07:56 PM
When two sources disagree in this way, is usually becouse one states also the weight of captive individuals I guess. If the wolverine foundation don't know accounts of wolverine weighing more than 20,5 kg we should consider an average 15 kg wolverine for this fight, and just this seems to be a little too much.
The average male human, in absolute, empirical terms, is about 1.7 meters (about 5'6") tall while the average weight is about 60 kg (or 130 pounds). These are relatively low numbers, so perhaps you can see why it is more reasonable to hypothesize using a fit but normal member of the population. Wild populations are skewed by the fact that lighter wolverines are perhaps more likely to be weighed, and are affected by availability of food. The latter applies to humans as well.
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this isn't a mismatch like some people think, the wolverine can scare the hell out of an avg human who is only used to eating, working in an office, sleeping, and maybe running a mile every weekend. and they're not as small as people think. if the man panics the wolverine will inflict heavy injuries and may end up winning. with that being said, a determined aggressive man of over 150 lbs (btw the avg modern man is 170 cm tall and around 70 kg) if he is athletic and fit (he doesn't have to be a 200 lbs muscular fighter) can destroy a wolverine. he can lift it and slam it against a tree, kick it so hard in a vital spot, or even more dangerous he can grab a branch or a rock and break every bone in the wolverine's body with it. some men aren't really fond of fighting anything (not even their gfs), these would lose. but a determined fit man will win.
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Catboy
Mar 15 2014, 07:23 PM
I think that even an average human could probably kill a wolverine, he's just too large.



In the Chacma Baboon (which will win VERY EASILY against a wolverine) vs Human thread, there were some talk about adrenaline kicking in. While the wolverine is aggressive and would beat most animals in it's size range, I don't think the wolverine has the strength to bring down and kill the human. It will have to jump on him/her first, if that happens, the human can easily dodge it or can grab the wolverine and quickly throw it aside. Once the adrenaline kicks in, it will quickly smash the wolverine and kill it. The wolverine will give him nasty wounds, but nevertheless, the human will still kill it.



A very large wolverine can win however, say like a 25 kg wolverine. And say like a weak, couch potato who does almost nothing all day. But a very athletic, fit man will win.
a chacma baboon can kill a wolverine easily? how do you know that? is this your precise calculated opinion or a wild guess? the wolverine has a more damaging bit than a baboon, it has claws, its skin is more damage resistant, and its more durable yet you think the monkey will win? and easily? i don't think so. actually the weasel will have an easier time killing the monkey. baboons aren't capable killers and they don't really kill anything other than themselves when they're trying to boss each other around.

yes the human will most likely win (if he's not a coward) and yes some people overrate wolverines but you friend just underrate them.
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Mar 16 2014, 04:57 AM
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Mar 15 2014, 07:23 PM
I think that even an average human could probably kill a wolverine, he's just too large.



In the Chacma Baboon (which will win VERY EASILY against a wolverine) vs Human thread, there were some talk about adrenaline kicking in. While the wolverine is aggressive and would beat most animals in it's size range, I don't think the wolverine has the strength to bring down and kill the human. It will have to jump on him/her first, if that happens, the human can easily dodge it or can grab the wolverine and quickly throw it aside. Once the adrenaline kicks in, it will quickly smash the wolverine and kill it. The wolverine will give him nasty wounds, but nevertheless, the human will still kill it.



A very large wolverine can win however, say like a 25 kg wolverine. And say like a weak, couch potato who does almost nothing all day. But a very athletic, fit man will win.
a chacma baboon can kill a wolverine easily? how do you know that? is this your precise calculated opinion or a wild guess? the wolverine has a more damaging bit than a baboon, it has claws, its skin is more damage resistant, and its more durable yet you think the monkey will win? and easily? i don't think so. actually the weasel will have an easier time killing the monkey. baboons aren't capable killers and they don't really kill anything other than themselves when they're trying to boss each other around.

yes the human will most likely win (if he's not a coward) and yes some people overrate wolverines but you friend just underrate them.
The thing about a chacma baboon killing a wolverine easily is my opinion. And I now know that it probably won't win easily but I still see it winning against a wolverine.



And BTW I don't think it's a mismatch in favour of the human anymore.
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you're definitely an experienced member, and your opinion is relevant, that's why i want to ask if i may why do you favor a chacma baboon over a wolverine?
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Mar 15 2014, 04:15 PM
this isn't a mismatch like some people think, the wolverine can scare the hell out of an avg human who is only used to eating, working in an office, sleeping, and maybe running a mile every weekend. and they're not as small as people think. if the man panics the wolverine will inflict heavy injuries and may end up winning.
Oh God, will you just please buzz off?

No, most men who aren't gigantic pussies wouldn't lose against a Wolverine because of fear. Seriously, this CANNOT be called anything but projection.
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Read any of 221extra's posts on the Eurasian Lynx vs Chacma Baboon thread. It shows that chacma baboons severely injure one another in fights, baboons are better fighters then you think. Wolverines have better bites? Have you even seen a baboon skull?:


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A wolverine wouldn't want to be bitten by those, the baboon would be clamping hard on the wolverine's neck because it is fighting. I do get that you said that a wolverine has a more damaging bite however:



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Again, about the durability part, baboons are pretty durable. Also read post 38 on this thread:


http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9379819/3/


But to be honest, I don't feel like debating right now
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Mar 16 2014, 05:21 AM
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Mar 15 2014, 04:15 PM
this isn't a mismatch like some people think, the wolverine can scare the hell out of an avg human who is only used to eating, working in an office, sleeping, and maybe running a mile every weekend. and they're not as small as people think. if the man panics the wolverine will inflict heavy injuries and may end up winning.
Oh God, will you just please buzz off?

No, most men who aren't gigantic pussies wouldn't lose against a Wolverine because of fear. Seriously, this CANNOT be called anything but projection.
since you seem to know very little about interspecific situations i'm willing to do you a favor and educate you a little bit.

when you're fighting a dangerous animal that has a nasty bite and sharp claws, and if this animal acts aggressively (which will most likely be the case with a wolverine) to panic even a little will cost you dearly since your adversary will have an easier time inflicting damage and when you see your wounds bleeding and feel the pain you will most likely panic even more. additionally, fear will stop you from arranging calculated attacks and from defending yourself efficiently. when you're fighting and struggling aimlessly you're at a disadvantage and if running doesn't work you will most likely lose. cowards aren't really capable fighters/killers. if your fear turns into aggression that drives you to fight then it's good but if you panic, well you'll lose.

oh and please learn to speak with more respect and decorum next time, especially when no body is targeting or insulting you.

i'm not projecting i'm mentioning facts. what you call it is irrelevant since you are..... well nobody really, so i couldn't care less what you call it. next time try not to bother me with your whining.
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Mar 16 2014, 05:36 AM
Read any of 221extra's posts on the Eurasian Lynx vs Chacma Baboon thread. It shows that chacma baboons severely injure one another in fights, baboons are better fighters then you think. Wolverines have better bites? Have you even seen a baboon skull?:


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A wolverine wouldn't want to be bitten by those, the baboon would be clamping hard on the wolverine's neck because it is fighting. I do get that you said that a wolverine has a more damaging bite however:



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Again, about the durability part, baboons are pretty durable. Also read post 38 on this thread:


http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9379819/3/


But to be honest, I don't feel like debating right now
hmmmm i think primates while they may have long canines, don't seem to have a very strong bite. i remember reading a comparison between a gorillas biteforce and a black bear's, one member posted a study that proves the bears bite to be much stronger. i think it's the same here, the monkey may have longer canines but that's all. its other teeth aren't really dangerous and the force behind its jaws isn't much compared to the that of the wolverine.

while i agree that baboons are durable i don't think they're as durable as a wolverine. moreover wolverines have thick resistant skin (as opposed to the monkey's lighter thinner skin), they are capable of surviving heavy punishment and will outlast a monkey in a fight.

still i realize that a baboon may win (especially if it's larger as size will be its only advantage).
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You have good points, crxgalaxy. And yes I do agree that if the wolverine got a good hold it will win but I don't think it will do so mostly before it gets overpowered first.
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Mar 15 2014, 07:23 PM
I think that even an average human could probably kill a wolverine, he's just too large.



In the Chacma Baboon (which will win VERY EASILY against a wolverine) vs Human thread, there were some talk about adrenaline kicking in. While the wolverine is aggressive and would beat most animals in it's size range, I don't think the wolverine has the strength to bring down and kill the human. It will have to jump on him/her first, if that happens, the human can easily dodge it or can grab the wolverine and quickly throw it aside. Once the adrenaline kicks in, it will quickly smash the wolverine and kill it. The wolverine will give him nasty wounds, but nevertheless, the human will still kill it.



A very large wolverine can win however, say like a 25 kg wolverine. And say like a weak, couch potato who does almost nothing all day. But a very athletic, fit man will win.
I think people tend to be very biased in their analyses; they investigate every facet of the human's possible advantages, but only give the wolverine what is already overtly granted. To exemplify, do you think wolverines don't have adrenaline? Of course they do; human adrenaline is not some super drug, contrary to popular stories, that will render him King Kong. What will he slam the wolverine against? Either the human will have to move away to avoid a devastating bite, or he will grab the wolverine, who will automatically roll into a ferocious ball of fur, biting off fingers and clawing through skin while moving easily more than enough to easily fall out of the grip of tiny human hands. People are seriously thinking of this as way easier than it is.
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