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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 9 2014, 09:57 PM (4,180 Views) | |
| Taipan | Mar 9 2014, 09:57 PM Post #1 |
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Giant Otter - Pteronura brasiliensis The giant otter (Pteronura brasiliensis) is a South American carnivorous mammal. It is the longest member of the Mustelidae, or weasel family, a globally successful group of predators. Unusually for a mustelid, the giant otter is a social species, with family groups typically supporting three to eight members. he giant otter shows a variety of adaptations suitable to an amphibious lifestyle, including exceptionally dense fur, a wing-like tail, and webbed feet. The species prefers freshwater rivers and streams, which are usually seasonally flooded, and may also take to freshwater lakes and springs. It constructs extensive campsites close to feeding areas, clearing large amounts of vegetation. The giant otter largely subsists on a diet of fish, particularly characins and catfish, and may also eat crabs. It has no serious natural predators other than humans, although it must compete with other species, including the Neotropical otter and caiman species, for food resources. The giant otter is clearly distinguished from other otters by morphological and behavioural characteristics. It has the greatest body length of any species in the mustelid family, although the sea otter may be heavier. Males are between 1.5 and 1.7 m (4.9 and 5.6 ft) in length from head to tail and females between 1 and 1.5 m (3.3 and 4.9 ft). The animal's well-muscled tail can add a further 70 cm (28 in) to the total body length. Early reports of skins and living animals suggested exceptionally large males of up to 2.4 m (7.9 ft); intensive hunting likely reduced the occurrence of such massive specimens. Weights are between 26 and 32 kg (57 and 71 lb) for males and 22 and 26 kg (49 and 57 lb) for females. ![]() Giant Moray - Gymnothorax javanicus The giant moray is the largest of the Moray eels, in terms of body mass (the slender giant moray is longer).The giant moray is widespread in the Indo-Pacific region, being found in the Red Sea and East Africa, the Pitcairn group, north to the Ryukyu and Hawaiian islands, south to New Caledonia, Fiji and the Austral Islands. As the name suggests, this is a large eel, reaching up to 300 cm (10.0 ft) in length and 30 kg (66.1 lbs) in weight. While juveniles are tan in colour with large black spots, adults have black specks that grade into leopard-like spots behind the head and a black area surrounding the gill opening. Diet: Primarily crustaceans. Habitat: Found in lagoons and seaward reefs. ![]()
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| Vivyx | Mar 9 2014, 10:05 PM Post #2 |
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I believe the giant otter would win, due to the fact that I don't think that the moray's teeth are well suited for killing a similarly sized animal like this. Also I think that the otter would just imagine this as another prey item |
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| Hatzegopteryx | Mar 10 2014, 12:18 AM Post #3 |
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I back the Otter, it seems far more capable of killing the Moray than the other way around. |
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| spinosaurus rex | Mar 10 2014, 03:59 AM Post #4 |
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i really don't see how this is much of a match. clearly the otter takes this |
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| Marek | Mar 10 2014, 12:36 PM Post #5 |
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I do give this victory to the giant otter, but it is not nearly as close as so many of you suggest. The giant moray is, after all, much better suited to swimming, and being more streamlined, he can evade and offend with much greater speed and agility. You also have to keep in mind that for the length of the match, the moray is the only one actually breathing, so if the fight persists for any longer than about five mintues, the otter will be significantly outgunned unless he forfeits. I only give this to the otter because he has three directly usable weapons instead of the moray's sole defense, that being his set of jaws. The moray will probably bite first, but the otter can easily bite or claw back no matter the targeted area on it's person. The opposite scenario might not play out as well, as a moray bitten near the head, although it would require tremendous strength to contain, would hardly be able to deal any retaliation. I say it goes somewhere around 57/43. |
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| The All-seeing Night | Mar 11 2014, 08:16 AM Post #6 |
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I like this match up because its not often the otter is at an agility and maneuverability disadvantage. The eel I think I underrated here, they can strike with lightning speed, possess aharp teeth, and can roll like a crocodile (but much faster). It also doesn't have to go up for air. And the eel would be able to land a lot pf bites in a clash. However, the otter does have stronger jaws, and will be more durable against the moray's bites. |
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| retic | Mar 11 2014, 08:57 AM Post #7 |
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i favor the otter because it has better weaponry overall.
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| Superpredator | Mar 11 2014, 03:56 PM Post #8 |
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I favour the Otter due to a weaponry advantage. |
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| spinosaurus rex | Mar 13 2014, 09:02 AM Post #9 |
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i somewhat agree that the eel shouldn't be underestimated, and all of your points are indeed valid. but you must remember that otters are also very streamlined and have a duration time under water of around 5 minutes. with really does counter the fact of the eel capabilities to breath underwater due to the otters decent duration. and giant river otters are known for their sucssessful predation on snakes and even young caiman. i think the odds of the otter winning are signifigantly higher then what you stated |
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| Mauro20 | Mar 14 2014, 03:25 AM Post #10 |
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Mismatch. The eel has small teeth, and would have a hard time killing anything but crustaceans and small fish. It won't be able to kill a giant otter, or even seriously injure it. Giant otter skull: ![]() Moray eel skull:
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| Vobby | Mar 14 2014, 03:33 AM Post #11 |
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I've seen some video of mooray eels, and while I'm really impressed by their flexbility and mobility between rocks and holes, I've yet to see some impressive display of agility and speed, have anyone some helpful video for this regard? |
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| Deleted User | Mar 22 2014, 10:01 AM Post #12 |
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I think otters weaponry advantage is enought to overcome the fact it is unable to breath underwater and perhaps less mavnuable under water but moray eel should not be underestimated otter 60-73% |
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| Grimace | Mar 27 2014, 05:53 PM Post #13 |
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Woah woah woah woah As someone who has worked with eels, you guys are grossly underestimating what a moray bite does. If a 10 foot long moray got a hold of an otter and was really trying to kill it, the otter would be dead, or have a limb ripped off or etc. Morays have a ton of jaw strength, TWO JAWS, and a ton of tenacity once they clamp on to something. I feel like this would be a stalemate since the eel wouldnt be looking for a fight, and the otter couldnt get it out of its hole. Otter could probably win in open water though if the moray couldn't escape. |
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| The All-seeing Night | Mar 27 2014, 06:34 PM Post #14 |
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Firt of all, no. They have thinner finer teeth that would take multiple bites to kill a larger animal. The otter would be much more resistant to the eels offense than vice versa, as the eel can be damaged easier. The mammal has large premolars, molars, and canines. It's bite would be more damaging to the eel.
where's your proof of the eels superior jaw strength? The otter's larger more robust teeth are made to handle a higher bite force. It also has a long skull and sagginal crest for the attachment of jaw muscle. They can be just as tenacious, een lone ones able to take on similar sized camain and groups able to harass much larger ones. |
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| Grimace | Mar 27 2014, 06:47 PM Post #15 |
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I'm not saying the moray has higher psi than the otter, I'm just saying a big moray is going to completely wreck just about anything it bites. (though moray bite psi is supposedly pretty high in a lot of species, i wouldn't be surprised if it was higher, but I can't find studies on it) ![]() The way their jaws are arranged makes the bites even worse. A moray bite consists of the huge main jaws clamping down, and then the second pair coming out of the throat, latching on, and yanking backwards. This is also supplemented by deathrolls or the eel tying itself in knots and pulling its head through. I doubt an otter would even keep trying to fight after the moray took a huge chunk out of it. (am i allowed to post bite damage photos? I have some pretty gruesome ones of eels that have completely obliterated various things) |
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