KingPanthera

 

was it a male lion? female? or a clan?

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11 year old leopards aren't very good fighters overall... i guess the deadline of max power is 10 year old.

KP

 

but it is impressive for the lion.

KP

 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/Tiger-leopard-found-dead-in-Mudumalai-Tiger-Reserve/article15443203.ece
impressive.
a leopard holding it's own agianst a tigeress killing her and dying by wounds!

"Leopard and Tiger Interactions at Royal Chitwan National Park


Dr. Charles McDougal is one of the world's most dedicated tiger researchers and prime advocates of their conservation. He gained his PhD in anthropology, but since 1961 has spent most of his time in tiger country in Nepal and India. Since 1972 he has been Director of Wildlife Activities at Tiger Tops Jungle Lodge in Royal Chitwan National Park. At present he is writing a new book about his long-term tiger studies. His article "Leopard and Tiger Interactions at Royal Chitwan National Park, Nepal" was first published in 1988 and is presented here unabridged.

Earlier studies in and adjacent to the park found evidence of high leopard mortality. Suitable habitat was not occupied for extended periods, suggesting that the population was experiencing difficulty replacing itself. Under certain conditions leopards succeed in co-existing with tigers, the former being socially subordinate to the latter. Nevertheless, leopards are not common in habitat where tiger density is high. They are most prevalent on the peripheries of the park, sandwiched between prime tiger habitat, on the one side, and cultivated village land on the other, dependant on both natural prey and domestic livestock. Tigers as well as humans contribute to leopard mortality.

During a period of 21 months, six leopard deaths were recorded. Although all occurred within 7 sqkm, this does not represent the total area the leopards had used. Five were killed by tigers; the cause of death in the sixth case is unknown. In April 1986 the remains of a subadult male, estimated to be 18 months old, were discovered in Sal forest at the foot of some hills. Wounds indicated that it had been killed by a tiger, the tracks of which were discovered nearby. Two months later, the decomposed carcass of a large leopard, presumed to be a male, was discovered in nearby riverine habitat; it was not possible to ascertain the cause of death.

Ten months after the first leopard had been killed, a female leopard and her two small cubs were walking along a path through grassland near the Rapti River, on the edge of the park, when they were encountered by a tigress. The latter killed the mother leopard, dragged her body 75 metres, and devoured everything except the head and front paws. The two cubs escaped but returned the next night, when the tigress found and killed them not far from where she had fed on their mother. The leopard cubs were discovered seven metres apart, where they had been dragged in opposite directions by the two small (six months old) cubs of the tigress.

The skulls of both, one a male and the other a female, weighing 5.7 and 5.2 kilograms respectively, had been crushed; their bodies were intact except for about half a kilogram of flesh which had been eaten from the hindquarters of each by the tiger cubs; the tail of one was also missing.

During the next 11 months, when the resident female was not replaced, a large male leopard intermittently used the area. In January 1988 his 4-5 day old remains were discovered in a patch of partially burnt grass. Canine punctures at the nape of the neck, the vertebrate of which were shattered, as well as wounds on the back left no doubt that he had been killed by a tiger, most probably an adult female.

Two factors appear to have a bearing on the extermination of so many leopards by tigers in one area during a short period of time. First, subsequent to the establishment of the park in 1973 effective protection and good management have led to an increase in the prey base and a commensurate rise in tiger density. In a tract of western Chitwan of just under 100 sqkm, including the smaller area where leopard mortality was recorded, the number of resident breeding adult tigers doubled from four to eight in the 11 years 1976-87. Secondly in this sector, very little peripheral habitat remains available for leopards. As human pressure inside the park has been largely eliminated by protection, it has increased outside, with consequent clearing of adjacent forest and scrubland. Now prime tiger habitat on one side of the Rapti River, the park boundary, faces open terrain with little cover on the other. These factors would increase the likelihood of confrontation between tigers and leopards."



"Bloody clash in Sariska Reserve, tigress kills leopard
Jaipur: It was a rare but horrifying site for the tourists who witnessed a bloody bout between two feline on Tuesday in Sariska Tiger Reserve in Rajasthan.

The carcass of the leopard was dragged away and partially eaten by the tigress
The carcass of the leopard was dragged away and partially eaten by the tigress

In the zone 1 of the Sariska tiger reserve, the tourists were in for a big surprise when they saw the tigress ST-3 engaged in a fierce fight with a leopard near Kala Kuan, said an official of the state forest department.

According to an eyewitness account, the wildlife enthusiasts were witness to an amazing but fearful sight when they saw tigress ST-3 of the Reserve engage in a fierce duel with a leopard that culminated in the death of the leopard.

The carcass of the leopard was dragged away and partially eaten by the tigress, said a forest official.

Throwing light on the rare conflict, an expert said, “since leopards are co-predators, they give a wide berth to tigers and avoid all confrontation with them.”

However, in this case it appears that the leopard was caught unaware when it had to face a chance encounter with the tigress in which it could not escape and was subsequently killed by the tigress, said the expert.

He said that in the event of a possible emergence of situation of similar type, leopards swiftly climb a tree in the event of sensing the presence of a tiger or seeing it in close vicinity. “Since a tigers cannot climb a tree, a leopard easily avoids such a fight with a tiger,” pointed out the expert.

It may be mentioned here that due to rampant poaching, Sariska Tiger Reserve in 2004-2005 earned the dubious distinction of losing all its tigers.

Now, since the tiger habitat of the area was in good health, a proper study was carried out and it was decided to translocate tigers from Ranthambore Tiger Reserve to Sariska.

The tigress ST-3 that was involved in the bloody conflict with a leopard, was translocated from Ranthambore to Sariska which is spread over an area of nearly 1,281 sq km in 2009."
http://www.indileak.com/bloody-clash-in-sariska-reserve-tigress-kills-leopard/

KP

 

there is an acount of leopard killing male young lion
larger than him. yet we don't know the age of that specific lion

1977marc

Mar 24 2017, 09:14 PM

big male leopard in that tree Luipaard

SETA222

Mar 3 2017, 11:30 AM

KingPanthera

 

was it a male lion? female? or a clan?

They probably couldn't tell.

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11 year old leopards aren't very good fighters overall... i guess the deadline of max power is 10 year old.

I am not really sure about the leopard's lifespan, but wikipedia says 12-17 years, which would probably mean a 11 year old leopard wouldn't be that old aged and physically damaged as you are trying to say. Maybe you could elaborate that statement that a 11 year leopard isn't a good fighter?

KP

 

but it is impressive for the lion.

Not at all. A leopard is a much smaller opponent for the lion with no advantages over it in a fight.

KP

 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/Tiger-leopard-found-dead-in-Mudumalai-Tiger-Reserve/article15443203.ece
impressive.
a leopard holding it's own agianst a tigeress killing her and dying by wounds!

No idea on how an interaction between a leopard and a tigress has to do with a lion vs leopard topic, but whatever. It was indeed an impressive feat for the leopard, though it was a subadult tigress. On leopard vs tigress accounts, I'll repost this though:

"Leopard and Tiger Interactions at Royal Chitwan National Park


Dr. Charles McDougal is one of the world's most dedicated tiger researchers and prime advocates of their conservation. He gained his PhD in anthropology, but since 1961 has spent most of his time in tiger country in Nepal and India. Since 1972 he has been Director of Wildlife Activities at Tiger Tops Jungle Lodge in Royal Chitwan National Park. At present he is writing a new book about his long-term tiger studies. His article "Leopard and Tiger Interactions at Royal Chitwan National Park, Nepal" was first published in 1988 and is presented here unabridged.

Earlier studies in and adjacent to the park found evidence of high leopard mortality. Suitable habitat was not occupied for extended periods, suggesting that the population was experiencing difficulty replacing itself. Under certain conditions leopards succeed in co-existing with tigers, the former being socially subordinate to the latter. Nevertheless, leopards are not common in habitat where tiger density is high. They are most prevalent on the peripheries of the park, sandwiched between prime tiger habitat, on the one side, and cultivated village land on the other, dependant on both natural prey and domestic livestock. Tigers as well as humans contribute to leopard mortality.

During a period of 21 months, six leopard deaths were recorded. Although all occurred within 7 sqkm, this does not represent the total area the leopards had used. Five were killed by tigers; the cause of death in the sixth case is unknown. In April 1986 the remains of a subadult male, estimated to be 18 months old, were discovered in Sal forest at the foot of some hills. Wounds indicated that it had been killed by a tiger, the tracks of which were discovered nearby. Two months later, the decomposed carcass of a large leopard, presumed to be a male, was discovered in nearby riverine habitat; it was not possible to ascertain the cause of death.

Ten months after the first leopard had been killed, a female leopard and her two small cubs were walking along a path through grassland near the Rapti River, on the edge of the park, when they were encountered by a tigress. The latter killed the mother leopard, dragged her body 75 metres, and devoured everything except the head and front paws. The two cubs escaped but returned the next night, when the tigress found and killed them not far from where she had fed on their mother. The leopard cubs were discovered seven metres apart, where they had been dragged in opposite directions by the two small (six months old) cubs of the tigress.

The skulls of both, one a male and the other a female, weighing 5.7 and 5.2 kilograms respectively, had been crushed; their bodies were intact except for about half a kilogram of flesh which had been eaten from the hindquarters of each by the tiger cubs; the tail of one was also missing.

During the next 11 months, when the resident female was not replaced, a large male leopard intermittently used the area. In January 1988 his 4-5 day old remains were discovered in a patch of partially burnt grass. Canine punctures at the nape of the neck, the vertebrate of which were shattered, as well as wounds on the back left no doubt that he had been killed by a tiger, most probably an adult female.

Two factors appear to have a bearing on the extermination of so many leopards by tigers in one area during a short period of time. First, subsequent to the establishment of the park in 1973 effective protection and good management have led to an increase in the prey base and a commensurate rise in tiger density. In a tract of western Chitwan of just under 100 sqkm, including the smaller area where leopard mortality was recorded, the number of resident breeding adult tigers doubled from four to eight in the 11 years 1976-87. Secondly in this sector, very little peripheral habitat remains available for leopards. As human pressure inside the park has been largely eliminated by protection, it has increased outside, with consequent clearing of adjacent forest and scrubland. Now prime tiger habitat on one side of the Rapti River, the park boundary, faces open terrain with little cover on the other. These factors would increase the likelihood of confrontation between tigers and leopards."



"Bloody clash in Sariska Reserve, tigress kills leopard
Jaipur: It was a rare but horrifying site for the tourists who witnessed a bloody bout between two feline on Tuesday in Sariska Tiger Reserve in Rajasthan.

The carcass of the leopard was dragged away and partially eaten by the tigress
The carcass of the leopard was dragged away and partially eaten by the tigress

In the zone 1 of the Sariska tiger reserve, the tourists were in for a big surprise when they saw the tigress ST-3 engaged in a fierce fight with a leopard near Kala Kuan, said an official of the state forest department.

According to an eyewitness account, the wildlife enthusiasts were witness to an amazing but fearful sight when they saw tigress ST-3 of the Reserve engage in a fierce duel with a leopard that culminated in the death of the leopard.

The carcass of the leopard was dragged away and partially eaten by the tigress, said a forest official.

Throwing light on the rare conflict, an expert said, “since leopards are co-predators, they give a wide berth to tigers and avoid all confrontation with them.”

However, in this case it appears that the leopard was caught unaware when it had to face a chance encounter with the tigress in which it could not escape and was subsequently killed by the tigress, said the expert.

He said that in the event of a possible emergence of situation of similar type, leopards swiftly climb a tree in the event of sensing the presence of a tiger or seeing it in close vicinity. “Since a tigers cannot climb a tree, a leopard easily avoids such a fight with a tiger,” pointed out the expert.

It may be mentioned here that due to rampant poaching, Sariska Tiger Reserve in 2004-2005 earned the dubious distinction of losing all its tigers.

Now, since the tiger habitat of the area was in good health, a proper study was carried out and it was decided to translocate tigers from Ranthambore Tiger Reserve to Sariska.

The tigress ST-3 that was involved in the bloody conflict with a leopard, was translocated from Ranthambore to Sariska which is spread over an area of nearly 1,281 sq km in 2009."
http://www.indileak.com/bloody-clash-in-sariska-reserve-tigress-kills-leopard/

KP

 

there is an acount of leopard killing male young lion
larger than him. yet we don't know the age of that specific lion

That account would for sure be the most impressive feat for a leopard that I have ever seen on internet, yet I have never heard/found/read it or anything related about it. I don't think that account exists, unless you/someone can prove me wrong by showing it to me.

Luipaard

Jan 18 2017, 09:43 AM

]Lioness kills female leopard. Found this on another forum but can't seem to find an account of it. Actually found the account:
"In July 11th at 5.30pm two of the breakaway lionesses had a fight with an old male leopard near the wooded area in marsh, the lioness was Jicho and we think she fought the leopard because he got a bit too close to her cubs who were nearby. The leopard and lion fought until the leopard scrambled up a tree with Jicho in pursuit. Jicho didnt get very far up the tree and the leopard then indignantly pee'ed on her from above. Jicho got a scratch on the left side of her neck which was from the leopards front pad claw, this will heal in time. Despite the age of this Leopard who had worn out lower canines he gave Jicho a good run."

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Luipaard

Mar 27 2017, 11:10 PM

Luipaard

Jan 18 2017, 09:43 AM

]Lioness kills female leopard. Found this on another forum but can't seem to find an account of it. Actually found the account:
"In July 11th at 5.30pm two of the breakaway lionesses had a fight with an old male leopard near the wooded area in marsh, the lioness was Jicho and we think she fought the leopard because he got a bit too close to her cubs who were nearby. The leopard and lion fought until the leopard scrambled up a tree with Jicho in pursuit. Jicho didnt get very far up the tree and the leopard then indignantly pee'ed on her from above. Jicho got a scratch on the left side of her neck which was from the leopards front pad claw, this will heal in time. Despite the age of this Leopard who had worn out lower canines he gave Jicho a good run."

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More pictures involving this fight

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Lion kills leopard:

"I came upon this ravine where a leopard and lion got into a fight. The lion won but was badly injured. The remains of the leopard can be seen on the right".



Lioness and leopardess (?)

Found this picture but could not find any account. Looks like a leopardess that is being attacked by a lioness.

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12-17 years in captivity??
i guess the old leopard is after 10 years.

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it is impressive to kill such explosive fast clawed cat just 2 time smalle than the lion.
since when it isn't impressive to kill a leopard?

chui

 

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so what you are trying to proove me. that the leopard is weak

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and a large indian leopard that is no more than 70 kg prob. was killed by a 150 kg tiger.

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i say a male big cat beats female up to 15 kg more than him

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWSd3Pc6aNo
the leopard killing lion acount.

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you really didn't prooved anything my marking that a large male leopard got killed.

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Lion kills leopard:

"I came upon this ravine where a leopard and lion got into a fight. The lion won but was badly injured. The remains of the leopard can be seen on the right".

SETA222

Mar 28 2017, 03:34 AM

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Lion kills leopard:

"I came upon this ravine where a leopard and lion got into a fight. The lion won but was badly injured. The remains of the leopard can be seen on the right".

Can you give the link to the account? If true, that's among the most impressive feats I have seen by a leopard. How is the description of badly injured, though?

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No I've found this picture on Facebook. Sadly there is no account of it, the text I posted with it was in the description of the picture.

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You can see a wound on the lions chin though + the fact that it's just laying there. Doesn't look like resting to me.

SETA222

Mar 28 2017, 05:36 AM

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No I've found this picture on Facebook. Sadly there is no account of it, the text I posted with it was in the description of the picture.

What facebook page?

1977marc

Feb 23 2017, 03:37 AM

Are the lions in kenya less aggressive... Or are the male leopards bigger more bad ass.. 1 leopard hold his kill for 4 hours against 3 lioness.... Not injured nothing.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154723951858153&substory_index=0&id=44214843152

SETA222

Mar 28 2017, 03:34 AM

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12-17 years in captivity??
i guess the old leopard is after 10 years.

I don't really know if the meaning was captivity or wild but whatever it's wikipedia and without a reliable source to back it up, so it isn't trust able anyways. But still, you don't have any data to support you on that claim that leopards over 10 years are physically damaged due to old age.

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it is impressive to kill such explosive fast clawed cat just 2 time smalle than the lion.
since when it isn't impressive to kill a leopard?

Leopards are not 2 times smaller than lions at average, it's actually 3 times if we count 60 KG for an average leopard. Sample of lion populations, posted by chui:

chui

 

http://carnivoraforum.com/single/?p=8772240&t=10364052
Most populations had about 185~ KG. 60 x 3 = 180. And even if it was 2 times smaller, it's still a bigass difference. Would you call an impressive feat for a 60 KG leopard to kill a 30 KG south american cougar? Even though the leopard could avoid to do that in the wild to not risk unecessary injuries while it would there's easier prey available, if the leopard really wanted to kill the cougar and fought it, it would do it. It would not be an impressive feat, it would be the only outcome, the same basically goes for leopard vs lion and is why sometimes the leopard by trying to seem very mean and dangerous " convinces " lions / lionesses that attacking it is not worth it, due to having easier prey available. But if the lion did it, it would undoubtedly kill the leopard and I wouldn't consider it an impressive feat considering that lions are 3 times heavier than leopards, not to mention being more experienced in intraspecific competition between males. Would you consider it impressive for a 60 KG leopard to kill a 3 times smaller 20 KG ocelot?

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so what you are trying to proove me. that the leopard is weak

No, I'm trying to prove that leopards don't really stand chances against opponents 3 times heavier than them with no disadvantages against it in a fight.

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and a large indian leopard that is no more than 70 kg prob. was killed by a 150 kg tiger.

Tigress. And I could literally use your same argument here to say that when you put that large male leopard killing a subadult tigress and dieing later to prove totally off topic to say that you are trying to prove me that the tigress is " weak ".

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i say a male big cat beats female up to 15 kg more than him

I love your " fighting rules " that you keep posting totally randomly as if they are unquestionable facts.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWSd3Pc6aNo
the leopard killing lion acount.

Watched the video, still didn't find the part where the young lion is stated as " larger " than the leopard. A leopard would have no reason to simply fight and hunt down a young lion bigger than itself like this is animal fight club, even if it managed to kill the lion which wouldn't happen, it's wild. The injuries that would certainly be inflicted by the lion would incapacitate the leopard, making it unable to hunt, die from injuries / infections or diseases.

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you really didn't prooved anything my marking that a large male leopard got killed.

Actually, it was an answer to you randomly posting that account of a large male leopard killing a subadult tigress and dieing later. What did you prove with posting that account?

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Lion kills leopard:

"I came upon this ravine where a leopard and lion got into a fight. The lion won but was badly injured. The remains of the leopard can be seen on the right".

Can you give the link to the account? If true, that's among the most impressive feats I have seen by a leopard. How is the description of badly injured, though?