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| Lions vs Leopards; Compilation thread | |
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| Taipan | Dec 19 2012, 11:19 PM Post #46 |
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Yeah, I dont know what they are complaing for: Lion kills leopard cub in Amreli village TNN Nov 14, 2012, 04.02AM IST RAJKOT: A four-month-old leopard cub was killed by a lion in Vad village of Rajula taluka in Amreli district on Monday. The postmortem confirmed that the cub was mauled by a lion. According to forest department officials, local villagers informed them about the dead leopard cub in Vad village. It was attacked on the banks of Sakardi river in the village. "There is a pride of seven lions in this area. When we saw the leopard's cub, we found injuries on its neck. We have also found the pug marks of lions in the same area. Trackers found that female leopard was spotted with her cub but when she saw the group of lions, she left the cub and escaped from the spot. After that, one of lions killed leopard cub,'' officials said. "There are good number of lions and leopards around this area'' said forest official. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-14/rajkot/35111238_1_leopard-cub-female-leopard-lions |
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| ManEater | Dec 20 2012, 12:08 AM Post #47 |
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I a most confident to find a really big big leopard in Iran or tropical forest like west african or deep indian, like balaji who weighed 108kg when he was wild. Balaji in captivity :  Iran leopard :  But the built of savannah leopard don't allow them to achieve such a weight for sure. A 100kg leopard will not even succeed to climb a tree, and welcome to lion! |
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| chui | Dec 20 2012, 12:11 AM Post #48 |
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In the East or Southern African savanna where most accounts are from the leopard will always be outgunned because of the huge size difference. Here the average lioness will weigh around 120-140kg, easily twice as much as the typical 50-70kg male savanna leopard. Even the very biggest males like Camp Pan at around 80kg or so will fall short of closing the gap to any great extant IMO. But this does not mean there is no overlap at all in the size of adult male leopards and adult lionesses. The biggest leopard skulls at least are within the range of skull size recorded for adult lions. However, as I have mentioned before many times these huge leopard skulls do not come from the well observed savanna leopards but instead from either the equatorial African forests or Western Asia. These leopards are probably capable of reaching much more impressive sizes of up to possibly 90-100kg and thus approaching the size of a small lioness. In West/Central Africa lions appear to be smaller with females generally not weighing much over 100kg so it isn’t unrealistic to imagine a match up between a male leopard and a lioness where the latter isn’t an overly subpar specimen. In fact, it’s perfectly possible especially in the long past that huge male forest leopards have crossed paths with adult lionesses not much larger than themselves in the forest/savanna mosaics on the edges of the Congo Basin. Skull size of lions, tigers, jaguars, and leopards. This chart includes young adults but nonetheless it’s worth noting that the largest leopard skull at around 280mm is well within the size range for lion and tiger skulls. Though this small sample only included one such huge skull, there are at least 9 similar sized leopard skulls (270mm or greater in length) documented in zoological literature I have discussed before, all being from either the Congo Basin region or Iran. Many more can of course be found in the hunting records. From “Brain size of the lion (Panthera leo) and the tiger (P. tigris)..” 2009  Weights recorded for lions in Cameroon, central Africa.   Edited by chui, Dec 20 2012, 06:11 AM.
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| 1977marc | Dec 20 2012, 12:35 AM Post #49 |
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Maneater, Kurtz, Chui and the other guys  by the way, Chui great info again thanks! I do not know if people lie to me, and why a ranger would lie to me about weights of the leopards. But a very respectec ranger wrote me about the biggest leopard known in the Sabi Sands, called the Mbombi male. He lived in the early 90's. He was badly hurt in a fight with another leopard and he was weak and lost a lot of weight. They decided to dart him but unfortunately he never woke up. When weighed he was in bad state but he weighed 103kg.  The same ranger told me Ottawa male was the biggest male he has even seen bigger than Camp Pan. I agree in the video Ottawa does not look extreme but sometimes it is difficult to judge, I have seen pictures of him like above and there he is enormous bigger frame to me than Camp Pan for sure. The video is Ottawa for sure, has been indentified by well known people and it was in I think in 2008 when Ottawa was way past his prime.. Edited by 1977marc, Dec 20 2012, 04:14 AM.
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| chui | Dec 20 2012, 06:52 AM Post #50 |
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Marc, I’m sure the guides at Sabi Sands aren’t lying to you but you need to understand that simple estimates are not equivalent to actual recorded measurements. Because their job does not involve routinely handling/measuring sedated or dead leopards I wouldn’t expect them to provide very accurate weight estimates though I’m sure they are very knowledgeable about leopards in general. Also, I don’t see how anyone can say with much certainty whether one big male is clearly bigger than another without actually seeing them side by side which is rarely the case. As per the Mbombi male weighing 103kg in poor condition and thus much more when healthy, it’s just very hard to believe. Enough male leopards have been weighed in South Africa for us to know how big they get, as far as I have seen the very biggest males are around 75-80kg. It just doesn’t seem realistic that there would males out there in the same region an additional 30kg bigger, it’s just too big of a jump. For this reason I don’t believe the old records of alleged 120kg cougars or 350kg tigers, especially when the photographs of these supposed record holders show mediocre specimens. To get back to topic, here are photographs of lionesses chasing and killing a leopard in the Serengeti.  
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| Kurtz | Dec 20 2012, 06:57 AM Post #51 |
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At least i don't know how the other male win the fight against mombi if he was 100 plus kilos. At least were Duncan Rodgers that weighed leopards for 20 years in sabi sands and he dind't weight male over 90 kilos Edited by Kurtz, Dec 20 2012, 06:59 AM.
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| 1977marc | Dec 20 2012, 09:02 PM Post #52 |
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Hi guys, well it is found hardly to believe, but when do we believe? If we see it with our own eyes? If a credible ranger tells me this and others sho tell me the same story.. What more prove do we need if tey tell me they weighted the guy. Kurtz, this male lost a fight, we do not how what happend, but he could he old and sick, a maybe the other had luck because anything can happen in a fight I just wanna believe it  so let's go on with showing big males |
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| k9boy | Dec 20 2012, 09:12 PM Post #53 |
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Leopard kills a young lion, is attacked by 2 lionesses Today our dominant male leopard (Tjhallanga) killed and partially ate the youngest member of the Charleston Pride. This cubs' sibling was killed and eaten by the same leopard about 6 months ago and today he did it again. This time, however, he did not escape unscathed. The Charleston Pride suddenly bolted north into the dense red beds, crossing the sand river and up the bank. The 2 lionesses managed to get the Tjhallanga male to a tree, but they were distracted by the body of the partially eaten cub. The pride started eating the remains of the dead cub and the leopard took this as his chance to escape. He bolted into the bushes and attempted to climb a different tree, but on his way up one of the lionesses caught him and dragged him down. The 2 lionesses then attacked him, biting and clawing at his spine, as well as trying to avoided his dangerous claws and teeth. Miraculously the leopard managed to escape and was seen running off into the bushes. We were able to view the extent of his injuries as he was skulking off into the reeds. Apart from a large gash in his back leg and a few bite marks around the base of his tail he seemed okay. Time will tell if this encounter was one too many as the injuries will take a few months to heal. This is the third time in 2 years that we have seen this male fighting with these lions. Do cats really have 9 lives? http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/leopard-kills-lion-cub-again |
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| Vince | Dec 20 2012, 11:52 PM Post #54 |
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stand off treed by lions   
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| Vince | Dec 21 2012, 12:50 AM Post #55 |
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This rare and amazing sight was captured by guest Vicci Compton on her game drive back to Little Governors Camp after a Governors Hot Air Balloon Safari It all happened quite fast the leopard was lying under the tree it is on and the lioness arrived on the scene, the leopard for some reason did not initially realise that it was a lion, (perhaps the wind direction ) this picture is at that moment, then just after it was taken the 2 faced each other, shock and horror ensued and the leopard bounded of into the thicket. Not even a few minutes after this 4 more lioness came out of the bush!! 
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| Deleted User | Mar 23 2013, 03:15 AM Post #56 |
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thats true! the acceleration also saves it here! I don't think a leopard can match the top speed of a lion even a male! |
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| Full Throttle | May 10 2013, 05:12 AM Post #57 |
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Some pretty impressive displays of speed and reflexes there from the leopards, Still though, lets not lose sight of whos the real top cat.  Amazing take down from the leopard in the third vid. |
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| k9boy | May 10 2013, 04:47 PM Post #58 |
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That would have been one hell of a fight! The leopard was old aswell, don't forget. And its carcass is bloated. Its a big leopard, but it looks bigger then it actually is in the pic. |
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| ManEater | May 10 2013, 10:32 PM Post #59 |
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Full Throttle: Be careful, your second video is a mounting, the dead leopard is a cub in the grass. |
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| Black Ice | May 10 2013, 11:08 PM Post #60 |
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Your right, but still Im on the fence now on a leopard killing a lioness adult at parity. |
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