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| Lions vs Leopards; Compilation thread | |
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| Shin | Dec 3 2014, 11:57 PM Post #91 |
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that's more 'canine' submission tactics right? |
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| TheLioness | Dec 5 2014, 10:40 PM Post #92 |
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Actually big cats display signs of submission like dogs too. Body language is frequently used to establish and reestablish roles within a pride, but these encounters rarely end in physical fights. Bared teeth, flattened ears and snorting are all signs of a dominant lion facing off with one lower on the hierarchy of power. Submissive lions will duck or crouch before a more dominant individual, backing away or stepping aside. To show complete submission, they will often roll over and expose their soft, vulnerable belly. The alpha male is the one that will never be subservient to anyone else in the pride, which is a hierarchy. Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_2304589_understand-social-behaviors-lions.html There are better articles that describe submission in big cats, this is probably why lions normally stop the attack once the leopard goes down or goes down and rolls over, still though, a animal on its back is hard to get through, even if it is showing its most vulnerable part of the body. |
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| Shin | Dec 6 2014, 03:09 AM Post #93 |
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I see, however-that isn't what the leopard was doing; them rolling on there backs is a defensive tactic used for combat. Leopards are not social animals so 'submission' isn't in the same context for them as it would be for social predators; they generally tend to either fight or escape..."submitting' to a more powerful predator would get them killed. |
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| TheLioness | Dec 6 2014, 03:27 PM Post #94 |
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No I understand fully, lions possibly see this as submission, since they are social animals, on the other hand the leopard is using it as a defense. |
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| Ceratodromeus | Dec 6 2014, 03:50 PM Post #95 |
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"defensive tactic"; i can see that. protection of the spine is significant. "used for combat"? certainly not. employing something like this in a confrontation leaves the leopard vunerable. when taking the “fight” in fight or flight, it's not idealic to roll over in front of your adversary.. Thus, the point Thelioness just made is valid. such forms of submission are entirely plausible -- and not limited to canids, i might add. |
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| MightyKharza | Dec 6 2014, 04:41 PM Post #96 |
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Lionesses tend to be hypochondriacs, hence why the attack wasn't pressed. In a sense, this makes them more typically "cat-like" than their male counterparts. |
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| Taipan | Dec 23 2014, 04:19 PM Post #97 |
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Just a reminder: "Lions have an advantage over leopards both in length of stride and speed." - See more at: http://africageographic.com/blog/9-lions-vs-1-leopard/#sthash.xHUNRtzn.dpuf Edited by Taipan, Dec 23 2014, 04:23 PM.
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| Shin | Dec 23 2014, 10:58 PM Post #98 |
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uh...'defensive tactics' would also be used in combat. "Submission'' only really applies between two similarly matched opponents...and can be expressed in various ways from lowering ones head, avoiding eye contact, to running away Defense & submission aren't really the same; submission implies to cede or ceasing resistance; leopards defending themselves are trying to escape with there lives...its a totally different context. |
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| Ntwadumela | Nov 10 2015, 10:50 AM Post #99 |
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Young male leopard attacked and killed by a male lion and eight lionesses in Uganda’s Queen Elizabeth National Park      Source: http://africageographic.com/blog/9-lions-vs-1-leopard/ |
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| HugeHyena | Nov 11 2015, 04:12 AM Post #100 |
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Even lions, supposedly the 'kings of the jungle', have problems, and although the mere sight or scent of a lion is usually enough to scare the daylights out of any other predator, there are exceptions. I know of a recent case in the Sabi Sands when a leopard killed a juvenile lion, took it up a tree and partly consumed it. Spotted hyaenas in numbers also periodically kill lions they manage to corner — and not necessarily old, sick animals either. The leopard, as far as I am concerned, is the enigma. Although it is poorly ranked on the larger predator hierarchy, I have witnessed how on various occasions it has turned the tables on spotted hyaenas and lions. |
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| 1977marc | Jun 1 2016, 11:31 PM Post #101 |
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lioness vs female leopard  The Airtstrip male leopard , he never backs down, even lions...this guy walked in on lions, bluffed made himself big, and not before they came running in to him he ran away... Airstip male leopard vs lions Edited by 1977marc, Jun 2 2016, 09:58 PM.
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| chui | Jun 4 2016, 07:37 AM Post #102 |
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Great find Marc! Shows how incredibly bold male leopards can be, not a lot of predators would openly face off with a hyper aggressive competitor twice their size. The Air Strip male looks like a real bruiser, not surprised it was him in this video. Reminds me of the scene from "Eye of the Leopard" filmed in Botswana's Okavango where the Burnt Ebony male casually walks past a group of lions not too far from him in the open with little more than a glance. It's cool to see genes which produce such incredible boldness are present even in leopards living in areas with very high density of lions. Before some genius points out the obvious, yes.. the vast majority of times a leopard will quickly flee at the sign of a lion. As would any other predator when confronted by a much bigger and very aggressive competitor. A more typical encounter between a lioness and male leopard. This is the Duma Tau male leopard from northern Botswana. Here we can see why male leopards must remain relatively lightweight in the African savanna environment.      |
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| 1977marc | Jun 7 2016, 05:28 AM Post #103 |
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great find Chui, Duma Tau male is a pretty big male ( is he still alive? I know him for some years ago) Here another confrontation, a one with a different ending than you would expect  [url=www.wilderness-safaris.com/blog/posts/the silent-drive]Leopard male killing 2 Lions, 5 month old cubs[/URL] Like most game drives it started off jovially; jokes and laughter about who would be the first to spot the seven five-month old lion cubs that had been seen by some guests on their morning activity at Mombo Camp. We arrived at their last known location at roughly 4 pm, but this time there was nothing to be found. Just as we started checking for signs of tracks, I noticed movement off to my left. A large cat, with sunlight dappling its fur, walked towards us carrying a cub in its mouth. As it walked into the bright afternoon sun we all froze in fear due to the scene unfolding in front of our eyes. This large cat was, in fact, a well-known male leopard called Blue Eyes, who had been spotted many kilometres from here that very morning. Coincidentally, Yompy, our guide had just told us of an encounter he once had of two lion cubs stashed in a tree by a leopard in the Linyanti; and now a similar situation was playing out right in front of us. All the guests became silent, as they knew they were witnessing a rare, raw and unforgiving event. The leopard dropped the limp cub only metres from our vehicle and started licking the fur; perhaps a sign of affection, or getting ready for its next meal…! The leopard then lay down close to his victim; still out of breath from the cat and mouse (or rather cat and cat) game he had obviously just initiated. Until now nobody had said a single word, and I knew we were all thinking the same thing… What had happened to the six remaining cubs? Were they lying dead in the bushes, or had they escaped the blade-like claws of this massive cat? Eventually the leopard stood up and starting walking intently through the scattered acacia; leaving his prey unattended. We hoped he was walking away from the original scene and thus any other surviving cubs, so we followed in suspense. However, only a few hundred metres away he led us to another of his victims. He immediately started devouring it from the rump, the noises of his chewing echoing in our ears as he crunched through the soft juvenile bones. By now other vehicles had joined us and at a glance I could see many a tear rolling from our guests’ eyes – especially those that had seen the seven cubs at play that very morning. This was a sad and silent moment, even though we all knew it was nature’s way. We left with heavy hearts as the distant call of the mother lion came closer while Blue Eyes looked as though he intended to stand his ground in a thicket close to the half-eaten lion cub. Only the morning would tell if revenge would be taken under the cover of darkness; and it was a long night pondering the fate of the five remaining lion cubs. On Friday morning we arrived on the scene, to find the first lion cub stashed in a tree and its mother calling softly. Her eyes, and ours, focused upwards on a half-eaten cub hanging in the fork of a tree. Only then did we notice the large spotted cat looking down upon us all from the safety of the large jackalberry. The large lioness took a last sniff of her dead cub’s fur lying on the ground below its limp body then silently slipped away into the woodland…          
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| charliegrin | Jun 7 2016, 10:21 AM Post #104 |
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^ OMG! I just saw that on Facebook today!  Leopards are really ruthless and opportunist of all the big cats!
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| Lycaon | Jun 7 2016, 11:26 AM Post #105 |
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I was actually in awe and amazed of the leopard hunting the lion cub. But when I scrolled further and saw the mother looking or her child, my heart sank. |
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