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Who wins?
Smilodon populator 14 (63.6%)
Gigantophis garstini 8 (36.4%)
Total Votes: 22
Smilodon populator v Gigantophis garstini
Topic Started: Apr 24 2014, 06:51 PM (4,085 Views)
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Smilodon populator
Smilodon, often called a saber-toothed cat or wrongly a saber-toothed tiger, is an extinct genus of machairodonts. This saber-toothed cat was endemic to North America and South America, living from near the beginning through the very end of the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 mya—10,000 years ago). Smilodon populator ("Smilodon the Devastator"), 1 million-10,000 years ago; occurred in the eastern parts of South America and was the largest species of all machairodonts. It was much larger than its cousins, S. fatalis and S. gracilis, possessing a massive chest and front legs, and is the largest known variety of saber-toothed cat. It was more than 1.40 m (55 in) high at the shoulder, 2.6 m (100 in) long on average and had a 30 cm (12 in) tail. Smilodon populator was substantially heavier and larger than any extant felid, with a body mass range of 220–360 kg. Particularly large specimens of S. populator almost certainly exceeded 400 kg in body mass. Its upper canines reached 30 cm (12 in) and protruded up to 17 cm (6.7 in) out of the upper jaw. Genetic evidence suggests that Smilodon populator and other members of the genus diverged from the main lineage of modern cats (subfamily Felinae) around 14-18 million years ago.

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Gigantophis garstini
Gigantophis garstini was a prehistoric snake which may have measured more than 10 metres (33 ft), larger than any living species of snake. It once took the mantle of largest snake before Titanoboa, which was discovered in Colombia in 2009. Gigantophis lived approximately 40 million years ago in the southern Sahara where Egypt and Algeria are now situated. The species is known only from a small number of fossils, and may have preyed on basal proboscideans, pig-sized ancestors of modern elephants. Gigantophis is classified as a member of the madtsoiid family. Jason Head, of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., has compared the fossil vertebrae of a Gigantophis to those of the largest modern snakes, and concluded that the extinct snake could grow to 9.3 metres (31 ft) to 10.7 metres (35 ft) in length. If 10.7 metres (35 ft), it would have been more than 10 percent longer than its largest living relatives.

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Vodmeister
Apr 24 2014, 05:52 PM
Gigantophis vs Smilodon Populator
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As much as I support big snakes, the cat wins this. its just way, way, way too big.

Theres always a chance of the snake getting lucky and getting it right around the neck though.
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How much doe the snake weight?
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Apr 24 2014, 08:42 PM
How much doe the snake weight?
A 25 foot reticulated python in captivity is around 350ish pounds. (and captive retics are almost always pretty overweight to obese)

I'd say a pretty safe bet for a healthy full sized Gigantophis is like 350 pounds assuming it is shaped like a modern snake.


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im seeing this picture though, and if this is what it looked like I will heavily favor the snake in this fight.

Does anyone actually know what its body shape was?
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It's really hard to say, but I voted for the snake.

It would depend on the Smilodon's fighting style, they apparently could not use their canine teeth, and I also read they fight like dogs in a way of rarely using their paws. I think we all know they would have been strong, but nobody knew whether it was a good or bad fighter. I think they are judged by their large teeth, and having 'tiger' at the end of their names.

The reason I chose the snake is because unless the Smilodon was agile and fast like modern tigers, it wouldn't be able to avoid being coiled and squeezed to death.
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The snake is just too big for the cat to handle.
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Agreed but the cat is more agile and could use its saber fangs to an advantage and TigerVsLion why does a tiger even matter in this scenario?
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Naronu
Apr 25 2014, 02:29 AM
Agreed but the cat is more agile and could use its saber fangs to an advantage and TigerVsLion why does a tiger even matter in this scenario?
Because secretly Tigers are god-like beings, everything in the universe revolves on around Tigers, and how indestructible they are
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There is very substantial evidence that sabertoothed cats used their canines to deliver killing bites. It would do so to the snake
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this is a picture i found, the sheer size of the claw tells us the smilodon definitely has the tools to beat the snake, it all really depends on how fast the snake can coil around it.
Edited by Arovinrac, Apr 25 2014, 02:44 AM.
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IMO I think the that the Smilodons claws and huge forelimbs would be enough to cause massive damage to the snake before, the Snake would be able to wrap it up in its coils.
Smilodon 7/10
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intresting fight at parity weight for egzample 300 vs 300 kg i must say i dont now which animal win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-YzZ3AlP3Y largest today live snake 7,5 m long 150 kg weight impresiv animal 10-11 m long snake definitely can weight 2 times more if proprtional have the same shape .
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It really does depend on how this snake was build. The heaviest green anaconda was 17'1" and weighed 215 pounds; scaling such an animal up to 35 feet would give us a weight of 1,862 pounds (!). However, if it was build like a reticulated python, it probably wouldn't even have weighed half as much.
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Apr 25 2014, 02:42 AM
There is very substantial evidence that sabertoothed cats used their canines to deliver killing bites. It would do so to the snake
^this. Constrictors have proven to be quite resilient, but being stabbed by thos fangs would be too much for sure. I dare backing the snake if it was really substantially larger.

Edit: It may be worth noticing that we have no real proof for these snakes having been able to kille through constriction. They were also not very well adapted to feed on big animals, so that we surely have a snake specialized in taking down much smaller animals, differently from Smilodon.
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Jaguars kill large anacondas. The Smilodon (which has much better weapons) shouldn't have too much trouble killing this oversized snake.
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