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Everybody who claims that the JAGUAR is "pound for pound" the strongest cat get in here!
Topic Started: May 11 2014, 08:20 PM (5,486 Views)
ImperialDino
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Give us an exact explanation of exactly what you mean?
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ImperialDino
May 11 2014, 08:20 PM
Give us an exact explanation of exactly what you mean?
The answer lies in the question itself.


a 70kg jaguar is stronger than e.g. a 70kg leopard...for example
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^ Even though in terms of body length, the Jaguar ranks 5th, in terms of weight, it ranks third. This would suggest to me a very robust body.
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Give us a reason why you believe a jaguar is so weak pound for pound that it would even lose to a hyena!
Just because they don't have that large prey?
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^ Explains a lot
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blaze
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That Jaguar is a little overweight, damn it, I once found a paper explaining body condition in big cats, I lost it.

@Taipan
That chart doesn't look reliable, what exactly is it measuring? the first ones are definitely too long to be head-body lengths but even as total lengths they are not accurate, 3.3m for tigers when the record is 3.2, 2.6 for lions when the record is over 3m and so on. 1.6m max total length for the Jaguar is ridiculous, that is only a couple centimeters above what an average female lion measures without the tail.
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Jinfengopteryx
May 12 2014, 01:30 AM
Give us a reason why you believe a jaguar is so weak pound for pound that it would even lose to a hyena!
Just because they don't have that large prey?
Einstein I never said the Jaguar was weak pound for pound. The Jaguar is nothing more then what I've coined a "middle ground" cat. Middle Ground animals usually APPEAR more muscular then their cousins.

Here's sort of what I mean, Leopards and Cougars are smaller then Jaguars, Tigers and Lions are bigger, so a Lion or Tiger the same size as a Jaguar is not going to be an adult (in most cases) or a weaker animal and a Leopard or Cougar (in most cases) are going to be an overweight fat specimen. BUT, I can assure you that a 300 pound Bengal Tigress, Lioness or Sumatran Tiger male can do EVERYTHING a 300 pound Jaguar can do. On the other hand I can assure you that a 180 pound Male Cougar or Leopard can do anything a 180 pound Female Jaguar or smaller Jaguar subspecies indiviual can do.

That's why I think the "pound for pound" crap is taking out of proportion. It's a middle ground animal that's all. It's smaller then the 2 biggest cats and bigger then then 2 smallest big cats.
Edited by ImperialDino, May 12 2014, 09:10 AM.
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kingkazma
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How can you assure that?
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blaze
May 12 2014, 02:37 AM
That Jaguar is a little overweight, damn it, I once found a paper explaining body condition in big cats, I lost it.
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^ Wild individual, still very robust.
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blaze
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Yup, I was talking more about the flabby skin below the "normal" contour of the belly.
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Varanus
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I have suggestion to resolve this.

F=MA

Therefore the cat that can accelerate the quickest is the strongest per pound.

Make sense?
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Hatzegopteryx
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May 13 2014, 09:44 AM
I have suggestion to resolve this.

F=MA

Therefore the cat that can accelerate the quickest is the strongest per pound.

Make sense?
So Cheetahs would be a lot stronger pound per pound than they really are in the original context...
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Hatzegopteryx
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blaze
May 13 2014, 08:14 AM
Yup, I was talking more about the flabby skin below the "normal" contour of the belly.
Yeah, although that doesn't make it look a lot more robust, but I get your point.
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I completely agree with this, but could you please write something like that in the OP, so that we know what you are arguing?
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Varanus
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Hatzegopteryx
May 13 2014, 11:14 AM
Varanus
May 13 2014, 09:44 AM
I have suggestion to resolve this.

F=MA

Therefore the cat that can accelerate the quickest is the strongest per pound.

Make sense?
So Cheetahs would be a lot stronger pound per pound than they really are in the original context...
Original context? Is there a way of measuring strength that doesn't involve force?
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