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| Ophiophagy | Apr 26 2016, 03:48 AM Post #76 |
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why does that impress you leopards are always killing dogs even dogs used to protect cattle and sheep and the nepal mountains? people put metal spiked collars on these dogs to help them out. My grandfather use to work up there. FOrgot to put one on the guard dog and it got taken away silently. Leopards have been dog eaters for thousands of years. THey do it at night not caught out in the open and usually by ambush. COUGAars do the the same crap here if they are young and desperate they dont give 2 faecess if you have guard dogs i have not had any attacks with CO they have been bred to be more smart about it and are bigger with protected hair gives them a giant look like a gorrilia when mad but i have heard of them dragging off pitts rotties and mastiff. LIke they were deer, one killed an arabian horse. one killed a standardbred. BUT SInce they are considered endangered here. You kill one you could be looking at prison time and fivnes of thousands of dollars if it turns out to be a legit eastern cougar. SO people cant do faeces about other than throw rocks fire gun into the air. etc..It doesnt happen often as it does with leopards but it happens. COyote are nothing like wild dogs they have not killed a single wolf in a pack a cougar? In their dreams every footage with them and a bobocat or fisher they back off coyote lack the size and power of african wild dogs we dont use CO FOR COYOTES We use them for bears and cougars MOST IMPOARTANT DOGS, FISHERS, minks and coons as a deterance we have the worlds biggest and most agressive coyotes the coywolf around toronto for coyotes a large donkey was good enough but a big donkey has trouble with wild running packs of big dogs sometimes thats where co come in they are top notch dog killers Edited by Ophiophagy, Apr 26 2016, 04:01 AM.
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| 1977marc | Apr 26 2016, 10:02 PM Post #77 |
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Lioness vs 18 wilddogs allmost gets killed |
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| kuri | Apr 26 2016, 10:56 PM Post #78 |
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almost killed or one lioness defeated 18 wild dogs...and killed one. |
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| Shin | Apr 26 2016, 11:47 PM Post #79 |
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^this deserves its own thread imo...seeing how this is specifically 'leopard vs wild dogs''. amazing account-but I wonder why the other lions allowed there pride mate to take on 18 WD alone-when they were in the area? This also proves that big cats can indeed take on multiple canids/hyenas & survive...even killing one in the process |
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| Nordred | Apr 27 2016, 01:03 AM Post #80 |
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i think that needs 30 awd to kill a lioness. |
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| Black Ice | Apr 27 2016, 01:27 AM Post #81 |
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The lioness only killed a sub adult and suffered near fatal injuries in the process. I think that speaks more for the teamwork and agility of the dogs than it does anything for the cat tbh. |
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| Shin | Apr 27 2016, 01:40 AM Post #82 |
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 and it only took a mere 18 adult wild dogs toinjure a lioness...and the only mortality suffered was on the dogs side... such overwhelming odds, and they still lost a member...  |
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| Lycaon | Apr 27 2016, 03:12 AM Post #83 |
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Interesting how involved the sub adults were in the fight. It only makes sense the younger individual was killed. The lioness survived which is impressive on her part. But if it were not for this account, everyone including myself, would be predicting the lioness killing more dogs (adults included) and walking away unscathed. I grossly underestimate wild canids against much larger felines. So I'm surprised the dogs inflicted such serious damage. All this keeping in mind how not every member of the pack, let alone most, play a role in fighting. Edited by Lycaon, Apr 27 2016, 03:13 AM.
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| Black Ice | Apr 27 2016, 05:30 AM Post #84 |
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Your argument in itself is a fallacy. Out of 18 dogs the lioness only managed to wound and kill a sub adult. And still got it's behind kicked. These same dogs rarely exceed 60lbs, and only about a third were probably adult males. Edited by Black Ice, Apr 27 2016, 05:33 AM.
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| Shin | Apr 27 2016, 05:59 AM Post #85 |
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18 wild dogs could not protect there pup from a single lioness? 18!!!! maybe 25 is the magic number  funny how this situation mirrors EXACTLY how I detailed most pantherine vs multiple canid/hyena match-ups: the INSTANT the dogs suffered a casualty-they all lost there nerve... ^I've said this many times...and now you see it play out in the natural world... what was the counter argument? "the lion can't kill one AND defend itself at the same time...", "when the lion attacks one it will be outflanked by the others".... uuuuh nope! actual real life encounters say otherwise... you're welcome  when the lioness got fed up and committed to an attack, the others were far to intimidated to renew there assault.... I am not surprised by the outcome in the slightest, b/c I understand & have always understood that self preservation is fundamental to animal psychology. Poster's assume pack hunters will initiate kamikaze attacks simply b/c of superior numbers....yeah, maybe among ants, wasp & bee's-but not higher organisms... Edited by Shin, Apr 27 2016, 06:06 AM.
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| Black Ice | Apr 27 2016, 06:52 AM Post #86 |
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Edit - I decided to read it, I won't be an ass despite my general attitude. But ignoring my blatant passive aggressive post (I apologize) I have a real question. What do you make of the lioness getting severely injured before The dogs stopped their assault and she got away? By your thinking it's easy to assume she was getting her ass beaten and only got away because she finally managed to kill a sub adult and the dogs backed off. Edited by Black Ice, Apr 27 2016, 07:06 AM.
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| Lycaon | Apr 27 2016, 07:40 AM Post #87 |
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So you were not surprised that a pack of lion averse canids injured a lioness? If so that makes no sense in regards to your earlier statement. African wild dogs display a high degree of self preservation where they put the lives of their packs over the individual. There are plenty of instances where prides or single lions are able to push the canids around and kill them without retaliation of the pack. A better understanding of these wild dogs would make it more evident that their behavior was not the norm and thus surprising. Edit: On another note I do not see how the lioness was severely injured. She looks ok based of the visuals provided so maybe the observes saw something I could not. Edited by Lycaon, Apr 27 2016, 08:07 AM.
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| Black Ice | Apr 27 2016, 09:14 AM Post #88 |
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The pictures were probably taken around the starting minutes of the fight. I'd like to think even a idiot can tell when a lion is injured, usually there's blood. |
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| FelinePowah | Apr 27 2016, 10:30 PM Post #89 |
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Injury's can look far more life threatening then they actually are.....seeing blood doesn't mean it a very bad injury |
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| Ntwadumela | Apr 28 2016, 12:15 AM Post #90 |
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You realize that the lioness isn't an adult right? Look at the canines and the size difference between the dogs and her. 
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