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| What is your view on hunting?; Does hunting contribute to conservation? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 20 2014, 03:19 AM (8,749 Views) | |
| Palaeogirl | Aug 6 2014, 06:31 PM Post #76 |
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Collapses are part of nature, even if they don't seem desirable. I doubt anybody wants to see Australia's brilliant squamate diversity disappear due to cane toads and feral cats, but like I said previously it isn't like that'd be the end of all things forever there. I certainly don't want the Perentie to go extinct but I'd much rather have it die out and eventually get replaced by something new rather than preserve one thing and try to preserve the percieved 'normal' environments of the world. Too much preservation of what we think is the correct and normal is damaging in itself because then the gene pools stagnate or nothing changes and we deny natural processes from occuring. I agree that we should take all precautions against introducing foreign species whenever possible but when one establishes itself somewhere we should just leave it as it is unless we can safely remove the invasive species without harming the individuals themselves. I can't bring myself to punish the wild tegus in Florida because lazy pet owners and breeders released them. They should either be relocated or left alone, despite the implications for the other animals. I can guarantee that any ecosystem in the world, even if it experienced a massive collapse in diversity, would eventually recover. It wouldn't be the same but that's just how nature works. We can't do any more damage than the faunal mixings of North and South America. We lost a great variety of species, entire ecosystems were torn down and replaced or mixed in with other ecosystems but the end result was an entirely new and unique plethora of species that we find in South America today. Lipopterns might be extinct but if it wasn't for the invasion of camelids we'd never have llamas and guanacos. While I'm firmly of the belief that humans are a measurable extinction event on the level of the other big extinctions, our introduction of new species will only end positively in the long run. Personally, I'm excited by what's going to happen when the monitors and tegus in Florida start competing for food.
Edited by Palaeogirl, Aug 6 2014, 06:39 PM.
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| Drift | Aug 7 2014, 03:01 PM Post #77 |
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Agreed, we are not some special gifted lifeforms so people here can stop with the sanctimonious bullshit putting humans on a pedestal. |
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| tigerburningbright | Aug 7 2014, 04:42 PM Post #78 |
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It's great as far as I am concerned....Humans are natural predators and hunting touches a part of the primal Human soul....It's also a good source of income.... Is it murder when a Wolf kills an Elk or Moose?? No and I see no difference between that and a Human killing an Elk or Moose....We have predatory instincts and so do Wolves and other carnivores.... I only don't like hunting when it involves animals that AREN'T natural prey items (Lions, Grizzly Bears, Elephants etc)....I wouldn't necessarily ban it and stop others from participating in it or anything, but personally I would never hunt animals like that.... Humans are put up on a pedestal because we have earned that right....There is nothing stopping us from extincting every large lifeforms on earth besides our own inhibitions.....I think that qualifies us as being more important than other species....Simply put our influence is FAR more prevalent in the food chain than all other animals so we ARE special.....We ARE special gifted life forms....not because any deity made us in such a way but because we are the winners of the Darwinian battle for survival....Atleast on this planet.... Edited by tigerburningbright, Aug 7 2014, 04:47 PM.
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| Palaeogirl | Aug 7 2014, 04:49 PM Post #79 |
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The thing is we have alternatives to killing wild animals. We can raise our own for slaughtering, or even eat an entirely plant based diet. Wolves, crocodiles, and lions have to kill wild animals to survive but we don't and choose to anyway. On top of that, lions don't even form 5% of the total population of Wildebeest or Impala, but humans outnumber both by incredible amounts. Tell that to bacteria, they're the real game changers. We don't impact ecosystems anywhere near as much as microscopic organisms do. Important is a loaded term anyway, it implies superiority and an inherent "perfect" quality. Remove us from the world and most if not all ecosystems would flourish, so I don't think important is the right word. Influencial, maybe, but not important. It wouldn't take much to wipe us out. Things that would destroy us may not affect numerous insect species at all but we could exterminate them if we wanted. Too many factors play into supposed superiority to declare any one thing the best. Edited by Palaeogirl, Aug 7 2014, 04:53 PM.
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| Jinfengopteryx | Aug 14 2014, 08:10 PM Post #80 |
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Aspiring paleontologist, science enthusiast and armchair speculative fiction/evolution writer
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Does the "sanctimonious bullfaeces putting humans on a pedestal" refer to my comment or was this just a general opinion of the pro-human community? In case the former holds true, I have never said we are special or gifted… Of course we are just some crazy and overly intelligent mutant-monkeys. I have enough common sense and evolution knowledge to know this. My point was simply that I don't believe this neutral viewpoint doesn't make much sense for real life. Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Aug 15 2014, 03:32 AM.
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| FelinePowah | Aug 14 2014, 09:49 PM Post #81 |
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Pussy Lover
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Oh just shut up.....please..... |
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| 7574 | Aug 14 2014, 10:40 PM Post #82 |
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me don,t like hunthing thing danger to ecosystem |
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| The Reptile | Aug 15 2014, 01:33 AM Post #83 |
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I think hunting for fun is an indecent and terrible practice. It all boils down to what happens next. Do they cook the meat or do they hunt just for pleasure? |
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| blackngold | Aug 15 2014, 04:59 AM Post #84 |
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What is your view on hunting - is it a good or a bad thing? Should hunting be outlawed? Is it ethical in your view or not? Why or why not? Does hunting contribute to the conservation of rare species? Is it a valid method of managing wildlife and as a conservation tool? I haven't read through all the responses.... but here is my take. Humans have been killing animals since...... since they (we) showed up. animals have been killing animals since they showed up. So of course 'hunting' is a fact of life. It's ingrained in the DNA. Regardless of the species. There are still humans here that hunt to survive. Think natives in the northern region and tribes in the amazon. Does "trophy' hunting in Africa have any validity?? By white Westerners? In some cases yes. in many cases no. Regardless of what some people may say...... African elephants aren't going extinct. it's just that they have been pushed into smaller and smaller areas. and some of these areas can't support it. So.......... in some places killing off elephants... and bringing in western money...and food from the carcass may be justified. There are places in the US where white tail deer are starving because of their numbers. it may be unsavory to some......... But killing some may be a longterm benefit to them. Edited by blackngold, Aug 15 2014, 05:03 AM.
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| TheLioness | Aug 15 2014, 06:29 AM Post #85 |
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Hunting is not bad as long as its justified. You use as much from the animal you kill as you can. Where predators are scarce hunting deer is a good way of managing the population. It is better to know a couple deer died quickly than starving to death for a long period of time. People will say, if your hungry just go shopping. Yes we do that too, but to go out and bring back food on your own, knowing pretty much the animals diet and it was not force fed any bad food for quick growth, is a good feeling. Plus certain foods are not sold in stores, many people enjoy the taste of deer, wild turkey, duck, squirrel, and ect. that they cannot find in stores. Like I said, hunting is fine with me as long as it is for a good cause. |
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| Palaeogirl | Aug 15 2014, 08:40 AM Post #86 |
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So you'd rather kill a wild animal and remove it from its natural habitat, thus denying any potential predators and any decomposers the nutrients it would supply than just suck it up and eat a farm raised animal born to die even if it was fed poor quality food or doesn't taste exactly like what you want right at the moment? That's just selfish.
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| kingkazma | Aug 15 2014, 11:40 AM Post #87 |
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Well my grandfather gave left over deer meat to people who needed it and stray dogs. If we could have a foundation that hunted for the good of humanity and didn't greatly affect the population of ungulates, I'd join it. But I see no real reason for trophy hunting and randomly shooting things like squirrel. Who the hell can live of a squirrel!? |
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| Black Ice | Aug 15 2014, 11:52 AM Post #88 |
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| kingkazma | Aug 15 2014, 12:03 PM Post #89 |
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Why?just why? |
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| TheLioness | Aug 16 2014, 02:39 AM Post #90 |
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Well when you put it that way, yeah. Before there were stores or people that sold their meat off their farms to others, there were hunters. Even then when these things came, they continued to hunt. I'm sure native americans would continue to hunt than go buy store bought meat. However there are different seasons and you can only hunt certain times of the year. There is nothing wrong with hunting, as long as it is used for a good purpose. Not only is deer meat good for you but depending on how many you get and how much meat you are able to remove from the deer can save you decent amount of money. I've gotten sick from store bought meat before, never have I've gotten sick from a wild animal. Going to the store and buying meat from there is more of a risk than going out and getting it yourself. Either way you can say what you will to make hunters look bad, removing deer from their natural habitat, poor deer, the normal outcome of a deers life is smashed into a car or starvation with overpopulation. There isn't any real predators around here to kill them, their fates are met by cars or sickness. I'd rather remove a couple in my local area, remove the chance of a car full of people getting injured or killed by a deer. Even if I stop hunting, what then? Other people will take my place and do it, so I should just continue with benefiting myself and the ecosystem. |
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