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What is your view on hunting?; Does hunting contribute to conservation?
Topic Started: Jun 20 2014, 03:19 AM (8,748 Views)
The Reptile
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Aug 15 2014, 08:40 AM
So you'd rather kill a wild animal and remove it from its natural habitat, thus denying any potential predators and any decomposers the nutrients it would supply than just suck it up and eat a farm raised animal born to die even if it was fed poor quality food or doesn't taste exactly like what you want right at the moment? That's just selfish.
Well if you were sort of left to die in the middle of a forest (lets say you were the sole survivor in a place crash or something) then it would be completely justified to hunt something and kill anything that attacks you. I do not agree with killing for fun.
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I'm specifically talking about the people who don't need to hunt. While I do think we are far far too overpopulated to be hunting ever, regardless of circumstances, I do understand that people that have to hunt to survive won't stop hunting. I can't really be mad at them for it. My beef is with first world hunters who could easily just buy a steak.
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While I would prefer a steak over hunting by myself everyday, you have to remember that livestock also has disadvantages. Feeding them is an immense burden to nature (most of their food is grown on what used to be forest) and farms cause almost as much CO2 as cars.
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It's still better than removing the farms entirely. The forest is already gone and there is more than enough livestock to keep the population fed, provided that we actually try to regulate our growth instead of pretending it isn't a problem and raising the population closer and closer to a breaking point. There aren't any herbivores left to tend to the fields where livestock currently are in most cases. Removing these species would be detrimental to ecosystems since there are practically no grazers anywhere in the heavily agricultural areas of North America. We'd be better off leaving the lifestock to tend to the plant life than removing the livestock and overhunting wild species to compensate. There is no way for us to exist with such a large population that doesn't evolve some sort of detriment to wild species, but having livestock is still way better than hunting. I honestly feel that if we just got rid of farms and started relying on hunting deer/turkey/etc for food we'd exhaust the populations in a few years. We can control the breeding of domesticated species, so we don't have to worry about eating them all. If we rely on natural populations we just have to hope that they can replenish themselves as fast as all 7 billion of us eat them and I don't even think rapid breeders like rodents could procreate fast enough.
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As I said I am more for farming than for hunting, but I wanted to point out that it is not so nice either, especially because farms are climate killers. While I am not forcing anyone to give up eating meat (I am no vegetarian either), I believe we should try to reduce meat consumption at least a bit.
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Jinfengopteryx
Aug 19 2014, 08:01 PM
As I said I am more for farming than for hunting, but I wanted to point out that it is not so nice either, especially because farms are climate killers. While I am not forcing anyone to give up eating meat (I am no vegetarian either), I believe we should try to reduce meat consumption at least a bit.
I ate about two steaks, a whole chicken, and about a dozen of burgers while reading your post. lol

No but seriously, I believe we should all slow down a bit on how much we consume, it puts a big rush on demand, a raise in demand causes bad things to happen. Quick feeding chickens to produce eggs at an alarming rate causes the shells to be very thin. I normally by mine right down the road off of some friends, they sell chicken eggs and let me tell you tough to break compared to store bought.

Depending on the area, hunting is regulated. The take count of population and in some areas where it is lower, very few license are sold and or hunting is canceled until the population is at a certain point. Now I said that is the case is some areas, others not. Not to mention the people who do not turn in their count of animals killed either makes it difficult to get an estimate on population on numbers taken from it.

Either way the location I'm at, I get food locally from the cow farm I live on, the chicken farm down the road, a couple of vegetables from the gardens from friends, hunting seasonally, and going to the store. I've deer hunted now for the past 6 years and have only killed three doe, all of which the meat was consumed and shared with family. In the past two years I have not taken a single deer, plenty of opportunities, however decided to let them go. I find it enjoyable to be out in nature and hear everything, see everything, as nature is supposed to be like, untouched. I went out every single day last year, brought nothing home. I went out and came come happy, enjoying the outdoors, freezing my buttocks off. lol

Anyone else here hunters of whitetail?
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TheLioness
Aug 19 2014, 11:26 PM
Jinfengopteryx
Aug 19 2014, 08:01 PM
As I said I am more for farming than for hunting, but I wanted to point out that it is not so nice either, especially because farms are climate killers. While I am not forcing anyone to give up eating meat (I am no vegetarian either), I believe we should try to reduce meat consumption at least a bit.
I ate about two steaks, a whole chicken, and about a dozen of burgers while reading your post. lol
lol But I am no hypocrite, I also had some meat today (in the form Ćevapčići).

But yeah, you are right in what you said. Mass production causes low quality products, but I was more focused on the ecologic impacts, since this is what the discussion is about.
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Carnivores, especially predators, should never outnumber prey animals, only animals that outnumber humans(if there is any) should be hunted.
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Unless you're poaching, I don't see anything wrong with hunting. Current hunting regulations (at least in the united states) are more than sufficient to guarantee that no predator/scavenger suffers from starvation, plus we should doubtlessly control the populations of some species because we already have greatly reduced the numbers of their predators. Contrary to popular belief, large populations of some herbivores like deers, hogs, rabbits, hares....etc ain't good at all and can have major negative effects on plant life and the ecosystem in general. Besides, when there's plenty of them, what harm can hunting do? We're talking about prey items, animals that are meant to get killed/preyed on. I mean I don't think they care much whether they get killed by a natural predator, or by a bullet or a dog.. Death is death guys. And yeah, farm animals are a much better source of meat, but (again at least in america) it's not like you can hunt all the animals you feel like shooting, the numbers of the animals of each species you can harvest per license is strictly limited. Imho, hunting is already controlled, and those who poach pay dearly for their mistakes. not to mention that hunting is a major financial income in many states.
As for animals that attack humans/pets they should be eliminated or at least relocated (although relocating is debatable as most animals can find their way back no problem).. But that's not hunting, that's self defense, and we certainly have the right to defend ourselves. I love nature more than anything, I consider excessive unnecessary hunting a serious crime that must be addressed and controlled strictly, and I especially despise hunting predators, but the last thing I want is a grizzly bear charging me/my loved ones. Having said that, I can agree that when animals do attack, it's usually the result of human irresponsibility and/or stupidity.
Edited by Molosser, Oct 6 2014, 03:27 PM.
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Jun 20 2014, 03:19 AM
What is your view on hunting - is it a good or a bad thing?

Should hunting be outlawed? Is it ethical in your view or not? Why or why not?

Does hunting contribute to the conservation of rare species? Is it a valid method of managing wildlife and as a conservation tool?

In this day and age, can hunting be viewed as a legitimate industry and/or hobby, or does it belong in a past era? Is the pleasure people get from hunting a reasonable justification for continuing the practice?

Let's hear your views!


Hunting least concern herbivores is much better than hunting non least concern animals and natural carnivores.
Hunting of natural carnivores and non least concern animals should be outlawed.
Hunting contributes to the rare of rare species, not conservation. Sometimes it is a valid method of managing wildlife and as a conservation tool(of non rare species, of course).
Industry is the production of a good or service within an economy, hunting is not a legitimate industry, anything can be a hobby, and it belong in a past era and present era, pleasure people get from hunting is not a reasonable justification for continuing the practice.
Nobody needs to hunt, the modern hunter gatherers can just move into more modern communities.
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Oct 6 2014, 03:16 PM
Unless you're poaching, I don't see anything wrong with hunting. Current hunting regulations (at least in the united states) are more than sufficient to guarantee that no predator/scavenger suffers from starvation, plus we should doubtlessly control the populations of some species because we already have greatly reduced the numbers of their predators. Contrary to popular belief, large populations of some herbivores like deers, hogs, rabbits, hares....etc ain't good at all and can have major negative effects on plant life and the ecosystem in general. Besides, when there's plenty of them, what harm can hunting do? We're talking about prey items, animals that are meant to get killed/preyed on. I mean I don't think they care much whether they get killed by a natural predator, or by a bullet or a dog.. Death is death guys. And yeah, farm animals are a much better source of meat, but (again at least in america) it's not like you can hunt all the animals you feel like shooting, the numbers of the animals of each species you can harvest per license is strictly limited. Imho, hunting is already controlled, and those who poach pay dearly for their mistakes. not to mention that hunting is a major financial income in many states.
As for animals that attack humans/pets they should be eliminated or at least relocated (although relocating is debatable as most animals can find their way back no problem).. But that's not hunting, that's self defense, and we certainly have the right to defend ourselves. I love nature more than anything, I consider excessive unnecessary hunting a serious crime that must be addressed and controlled strictly, and I especially despise hunting predators, but the last thing I want is a grizzly bear charging me/my loved ones. Having said that, I can agree that when animals do attack, it's usually the result of human irresponsibility and/or stupidity.
The US wants to reduce predators:
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The more than 4 million animals shot, poisoned, snared or trapped by the Department of Agriculture’s Wildlife Services in fiscal year 2013 included 75,326 coyotes, 866 bobcats, 528 river otters, 3,700 foxes, 12,186 prairie dogs, 973 red-tailed hawks, 419 black bears and at least three eagles, golden and bald
. - http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/governments-kill-of-4-million-animals-seen-as-anoverstep/2014/06/06/1de0c550-ecc4-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html
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Wildlife Services, a branch of the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, was a major force in eliminating wolf and grizzly bear populations in the continental United States

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Wildlife Services continues to "preventatively" kill more than 100,000 native carnivores each year, even when the effectiveness of such killing is unproven or, worse, counterproductive.

- http://www.nrdc.org/wildlife/animals/wolves/predatorcontrol.asp

Cougar killed just for hunting for food:
http://www.nuggetnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=5&SubSectionID=5&ArticleID=22871

If goats are not natural food enough, cougars are also killed for killing and eating wild bighorn sheep:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/25/bighorn-sheep-mountain-lions-yosemite_n_884593.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584273/Arizona-wildlife-experts-fire-bighorn-sheep-conservation-plan-spends-150-000-transporting-31-mountain-lion-territory-half-promptly-killed.html



Edited by maker, Oct 25 2014, 03:47 PM.
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Lion hunting does not contribute to conservation at all:
http://www.ifaw.org/sites/default/files/Ecolarge-2013-200m-question.pdf
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Hm.
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