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Oxalaia quilombensis 7 (63.6%)
Suchomimus tenerensis 4 (36.4%)
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Oxalaia quilombensis v Suchomimus tenerensis
Topic Started: Jul 3 2014, 09:41 PM (4,683 Views)
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Oxalaia quilombensis
Oxalaia (a reference to the African deity Oxalá) is a genus of carnivorous theropod. It is a spinosaurine spinosaurid which lived during the late Cretaceous (early Cenomanian stage, about 98 mya) in what is now Brazil. Oxalaia is known from the holotype MN 6117-V, fused premaxillae of a very large individual and from the referred fragment MN 6119-V, an isolated and incomplete left maxilla, which were found on Cajual Island, Maranhão State of northeastern Brazil. Fossils of Oxalaia were recovered in 2004 from the Laje do Coringa locality of the Alcântara Formation, part of the Itapecuru Group of the São Luís Basin. Besides these bone fragments, numerous spinosaurid teeth had earlier been reported from the site. The genus was named by Alexander Wilhelm Armin Kellner, Sergio A.K. Azevedeo, Elaine B. Machado, Luciana B. Carvalho and Deise D.R. Henriques in 2011 and the type species is Oxalaia quilombensis. The specific name quilombensis refers to the quilombo settlements, such as on Cajual Island, which were founded by escaped slaves. Estimates suggest that it was 12 to 14 metres (39 to 46 ft) in length and 5 to 7 tonnes (5.5 to 7.7 short tons) in weight —- it is the largest theropod known from Brazil and the eighth officially named species of theropod from Brazil.

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Suchomimus tenerensis
Suchomimus ("crocodile mimic") is a genus of large spinosaurid dinosaur with a crocodile-like mouth that lived between 121–112 million years ago, during the late Aptian stage of the Cretaceous period in Africa. Unlike most giant theropods, Suchomimus had a very long, low snout and narrow jaws studded with some 100 teeth, not very sharp and curving slightly backward. The tip of the snout was enlarged and carried a "rosette" of longer teeth. The animal is reminiscent of crocodilians that eat mainly fish, such as the living gharial, a type of large crocodile with a very long, slim snout, from the region of India. Suchomimus also had a tall extension of its vertebrae which may have held up some kind of low flap, ridge or sail of skin, as seen in much more exaggerated form in Spinosaurus. Detailed study shows that the specimen of Suchomimus was a subadult about 11 meters (36 ft) in length and weighing between 2.9t and 4.8t, but scientists think that it may have grown to about 12 meters (40 ft) long, approaching the size of Tyrannosaurus. The overall impression is of a massive and powerful creature that ate fish and presumably other sorts of meat (carrion, if naught else) more than 100 million years ago, when the Sahara was a lush, swampy habitat.

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Teratophoneus
Jul 3 2014, 07:45 PM
What about Suchomimus v Oxalaia?
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I would always favor a spinosaurine over a baryonychine at parity, and especially considering how oxalaia could apparently grow to 14 meters as apposed to the mere 12 in suchomimus, it would be able to overpower it easily
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They're very similar. It's a 50/50.
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Sarcoimperator
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I voted oxalaia, simply because of size advantage.
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14 m for oxalaia is an exaggeration, in fact it was probably not any bigger than suchomimus. And spinosaurines are not jesus compared to baryonychines.
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^ I was going to point that out regarding the 14m figure.
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Carcharadon
Jul 4 2014, 03:42 AM
14 m for oxalaia is an exaggeration, in fact it was probably not any bigger than suchomimus. And spinosaurines are not jesus compared to baryonychines.
Amen!
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Not much bigger than suchomimus? Then it's 50/50.
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I would say this is a pretty even fight. Both Spinosaurids are similar in size (11-12 metres and between 4-5 tons as a rough estimate). There is no massive difference in their weaponry, although it is stated that Baryonichines had more robust jaws for their size when compared to Spinosaurines:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0065295
'Despite the differences in the size and morphology of the tested regions between the Spinosaurus (estimate skull length 117.6 cm; longer, more gracile and a small terminal rosette relative to length) and B. walkeri rostra (97.1 cm estimated length; therefore shorter, relatively more robust with a larger terminal rosette), both spinosaur rostra perform in a similar manner, and due to their large size absolutely outperform all crocodilian taxa.'
Whether this would make a large difference or not I am unsure, but it does support the idea that Suchomimus may have a superior bite to that of Oxalaia.
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Jul 4 2014, 03:42 AM
14 m for oxalaia is an exaggeration, in fact it was probably not any bigger than suchomimus. And spinosaurines are not jesus compared to baryonychines.
At the same time, allosaurids are not Jesus (capitalize that dammit!!!) compared to tyrannosaurids...

It is just my idea that they are superior

Mechabryonyx, I hope you realize that the only piece they could work with for baryonyx was the premaxilla, right? Baryonychine rostra, although deeper, were still notoriously narrow; much less-so than in spinosaurines. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OVH5UC-R50w/R5BntPUuuyI/AAAAAAAAATQ/kiK87LpZYZQ/s320/Spinosaur+ventral+color.JPG

Being deeper or wider does NOT make a bite any more devastating anyway
Edited by The Reptile, Jul 4 2014, 11:34 PM.
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The Reptile
Jul 4 2014, 11:29 PM
At the same time, allosaurids are not Jesus (capitalize that dammit!!!) compared to tyrannosaurids...

Wtf? How is that relevant here in any way?
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At the same time, allosaurids are not Jesus (capitalize that dammit!!!) compared to tyrannosaurids...
I’d really love to see where someone made it look like that…
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Baryonychine rostra, although deeper, were still notoriously narrow; much less-so than in spinosaurines. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OVH5UC-R50w/R5BntPUuuyI/AAAAAAAAATQ/kiK87LpZYZQ/s320/Spinosaur+ventral+color.JPG
The difference is not very large, as that diagram demonstrates nicely actually.

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Being deeper or wider does NOT make a bite any more devastating anyway
You are the only one who is suggesting the bite of one of them was more devastating!
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The Reptile
Jul 4 2014, 11:29 PM
At the same time, allosaurids are not Jesus (capitalize that dammit!!!) compared to tyrannosaurids...
Am I mistaken, or are you just trying to spot hypocrisy? That ain't proving anything wrong
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Trying to spot hypocrisy- I have seen his posts before and is an obvious allosaur fan...
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Well, of course he is, and how is that a bad thing?
A fan is someone who is interested in and passionate about something–we hopefully all are, about animals as a whole.

He’s not a fanboy (There is a difference, people not realising that has led to misunderstandings in the past), and not one of those at-the-brink-to-fanboy-fans either.
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