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Rethinking that Leopards can beat Hyenas..can they really?
Topic Started: Aug 23 2014, 12:50 AM (16,249 Views)
RojJones
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Lol a hyena scared off 3 cheetahs


Honey badger can scared off 3 cheetahs. 3 Cheetahs can kill scavenger hyena.
Edited by RojJones, Aug 24 2014, 10:56 PM.
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Aug 24 2014, 05:02 PM
To be honest, I doubt even Black Ice himself really believes that a wolf/hyena are capable of beating a cougar/leopard one on one.
Sounds like a you problem.

I don't care what you doubt, I know very well what I believe. If you simply look over the relationship between the animals you'd see the evidence the cats superior over the canid/hyena is weak.
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 25 2014, 12:12 AM.
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RojJones
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I do not believe that the leopard not easily kill a hyena. This story are not credible.



Their interaction in the wild

This is the story of a 180 pound male leopard fighting to death against a 180 pound matriach. This is a little brutal and cruel.

In the african savana, there was a big male leopard which weighs 180 pounds and is the dominant male in his area. This leopard is a young magnificent male which weighs 180 pounds. He is one huge specimen and is capable of killing prey up to the size of wildebeast.
He doesn't retreat form single hyenas as other leopards do especially when he is really hungry but rather feast along side them until multiple hyenas arrive. More yet to come.

The greatest threat apart from lions is this female hyena weighing 180 pounds ( a large female matriach). This hyena and her clan has faught with lion prides and sometimes managed to chase off lone male lions. Once she was nearly killed by a lion but managed to escape when clan members came to her aid. She is preety much similar in strength as this male leopard except for she lacks the claws and often engages in tussles with him one on one. Why this mail leopard didn't attack her but allows her to feast along side him is a mystery ( maybe he fears her jaws). Poachers whom came into the jungle were confuse by this and therefore refrain from shooting this male leopard although his spotted coat could be sold for a high price.
Instead, the poachers decided to test him and the hyena.

It was this very day that the hunters shot both of them while they were eating side by side on a carcase. The hunters placed them both in a room with little or no space fro the leopard to escape but enough to run and jump. The walls around were made of strong glass so the hunters could watch them without fear of the animals breaking out.

Finally the two animals woke up and look rather dazy. But then the leopard saw the hyena and decided to run but there was no space to. The hyena chase him around for a while as she thought she could bully him as usual.
The leopard finding himself conered decided it was time for him to fight.
Here goes nothing: The male leopard launch towards the hyena and scratch bit her ear leaving it in tatters. The hyena tried to bite back but the leopard quickly lept out of the way. All this while the leopard attack and mauled the hyena on her flanks and neck but the hyena still persistently continued her attack but it seems the leopard was too agile to be caught. Finally, with a stroke of luck, the hyena managed to catch one of the leopard's hind leg and shake it vigorously, her powerful jaws easily snapped that bone and the leopard roared in pain and tried to break free but nothing short of an earthquake is going to make the hyena let go. Finally the leopard bit back the hyena and sank his fangs into her neck until the hyena finally let go.

By now the leopard was breathing heavily as his left hind leg was bleeding heavily and broken with made him limp. The hyena was also badly injured on her flanks, neck, and face. Still both animals seem eager to continue the fight.
The leopard couldn't jump as well as he used to but he still jump forward and aimed for the hyeans flanks, he managed to raked her flanks with his claws.
The hyean turn and managed to bite the leopards tail and broke of half of it and also tore a skin from his flanks. The leopard knew it was either win or die so he aimed an accurate bite on the hyenas throat once more. This time he did not let go until the hyena finally died.

Despite his victory, the leopard was left with a broken tail, a broken hind leg, and a torn flank. He was breathing heavily and by now the poachers had grown to respect himand did not want to kill him.
So they shot the leopard with a tranqulizer dart and treated him. They fed the leopard and took care of him until he was better and released him back into the afican savana. They name him the " hyena-killer".The poacher developed a respect for leopards and stop hunting them and made a new living.

http://s6.zetaboards.com/Leo_Tigris_Elite/topic/1089326/1/
Edited by RojJones, Aug 25 2014, 12:31 AM.
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Aug 25 2014, 12:29 AM
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I do not believe that the leopard not easily kill a hyena. This story are not credible.



Finally, with a stroke of luck, the hyena managed to catch one of the leopard's hind leg and shake it vigorously, her powerful jaws easily snapped that bone and the leopard roared in pain and tried to break free but nothing short of an earthquake is going to make the hyena let go. Finally the leopard bit back the hyena and sank his fangs into her neck until the hyena finally let go.

By now the leopard was breathing heavily as his left hind leg was bleeding heavily and broken with made him limp. The hyena was also badly injured on her flanks, neck, and face. Still both animals seem eager to continue the fight.
The leopard couldn't jump as well as he used to but he still jump forward and aimed for the hyeans flanks, he managed to raked her flanks with his claws.
The hyean turn and managed to bite the leopards tail and broke of half of it and also tore a skin from his flanks. The leopard knew it was either win or die so he aimed an accurate bite on the hyenas throat once more. This time he did not let go until the hyena finally died.

Despite his victory, the leopard was left with a broken tail, a broken hind leg, and a torn flank. He was breathing heavily and by now the poachers had grown to respect himand did not want to kill him.
So they shot the leopard with a tranqulizer dart and treated him. They fed the leopard and took care of him until he was better and released him back into the afican savana. They name him the " hyena-killer".The poacher developed a respect for leopards and stop hunting them and made a new living.

http://s6.zetaboards.com/Leo_Tigris_Elite/topic/1089326/1/
' the hyena managed to catch one of the leopard's hind leg and shake it vigorously, her powerful jaws easily snapped that bone and the leopard roared in pain and tried to break free but nothing short of an earthquake is going to make the hyena let go'

This should be enough to show you the hyena is indeed a worthy opponent for an equally sized Leopard. It may not have won this conflict, but it still put up a hell of a fight and didn't go down until the very bitter end.
I myself favor the leopard marginally, my thought is it would win 6/10. Why you underestimate the killing/ interspecific conflict prowess of hyena is beyiond me though. They are rather capable fighters, and pack a nasty bite.
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Aug 24 2014, 02:11 AM
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Aug 23 2014, 06:27 PM
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Aug 23 2014, 02:25 AM
we are talking about 1 on 1 fights!

But i think nature appear to work differently than we think/we are talking about.

Every Animal tries to survive...they are no killing machines.

We are searching for accounts, but why should a leopard or a hyena kill each others.
Yes...lions and hyenas are deadly enemies. But maybe this is the exception.

Don't misunderstand me...i don't think that this kind of fights we are talking about, often happen in the wild.
Male Leopards will engage with other Male Leopards and Female Leopards before they will even a SINGLE HYENA, I've never seen footage of a Hyena running from a Leopard, but we've all seen the other way around. The Hyena has very little respect for the Leopard, the Hyena treats the Male Leopard no different then it would a Caracal or Serval!!

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I don't even believe that you believe your own words-you're not even a convincing troll...


you repeat the same misinformation despite there being very strong evidence to the contrary...
wHATS NOT TO BELIEVE ABOUT WHAT I SAID? Hyenas fear Leopards? Hyenas run from Leopards? Hyenas don't go over and snatch Leopards hard earned kills at will? I've seen footage of a single Carcal standing down 5-6 hyenas, hissing at the Hyenas and they did back up and leave it alone. Maybe they didn't take the Caracal that seriously, but they treat Caracals and Servals no different then they do "big bad dewlap faced Male Leopards!.
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This should be enough to show you the hyena is indeed a worthy opponent for an equally sized Leopard. It may not have won this conflict, but it still put up a hell of a fight and didn't go down until the very bitter end.
I myself favor the leopard marginally, my thought is it would win 6/10. Why you underestimate the killing/ interspecific conflict prowess of hyena is beyiond me though. They are rather capable fighters, and pack a nasty bite.


Many hyena fanboys believe that hyena winner. Leopard win 6/10 it doesn't bother me.
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So, because there are some fanboys, you have to believe that this is a mismatch in favor of the leopard? This claim is exactly what Carnosaur18 wanted to refute. You can find enough accounts on carnivora that show the durability of hyenas which would make it far from an easy victory for the leopard.
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lol Roj, you think posting pictures of hyenas scavenging is going to change the fact that they are primarily hunters? By your logic, I could post pictures of lions scavenging from cheetah kills and say that this proves they are "vile scavengers".

Scavenging is not unique to hyenas. The only unique thing about their behaviour is their matriarchal society... Hmmm, I wonder if that's the real reason you despise them so much, aside from the fact that they regularly humiliate leopards.
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Aug 25 2014, 12:02 AM
If you simply look over the relationship between the animals you'd see the evidence the cats superior over the canid/hyena is weak strong enough for most.
That's pretty much the only difference.

I can find relatively sound cases cases of lone cougars killing wolves. Is there a single compelling account out there of a lone wolf killing an adult male cougar? Or a lone hyena killing a tom leopard?

"No" is the correct answer to either of these, and the reason is obvious to those who want to understand it.
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Aug 25 2014, 08:07 AM
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Aug 25 2014, 12:02 AM
If you simply look over the relationship between the animals you'd see the evidence the cats superior over the canid/hyena is weak strong enough for most.
That's pretty much the only difference.

I can find relatively sound cases cases of lone cougars killing wolves. Is there a single compelling account out there of a lone wolf killing an adult male cougar? Or a lone hyena killing a tom leopard?

"No" is the correct answer to either of these, and the reason is obvious to those who want to understand it.
When it gets to the point you gotta edit people post, you realize who's really the one that's doubting themselves.

Please show me a cougar taking out a male wolf on par with it in weight. Everything else is irrelevant. Point remains lone cougar don't take sizeable wolves. You can post as many cases you want of them killing yearling males and females and such. But you never hear of a cougar taking out a 4-5 year old male in its prime size and fighting capacity, and we aren't even talking about the rare 150lbs and heavier ones.
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 25 2014, 09:44 AM.
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I think people on this forum don't understand that" can scare an animal off" doesn't mean "would always win in a deathmatch against the animal they scared off".

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Not that I'm saying a hyena vs leopard would be a complete mismatch, but still.
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Aug 25 2014, 09:41 AM
When it gets to the point you gotta edit people post, you realize who's really the one that's doubting themselves.
I was doing it to make a point, and it highlighted pretty much the only difference between my opinion and yours. ;)

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Please show me a cougar taking out a male wolf on par with it in weight. Everything else is irrelevant.

Really, and what if both are adult males, but the cougar just happens to be larger than the wolf? (as they usually are)
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Point remains lone cougar don't take sizeable wolves.

And how did you get to this conclusion from your previous premise?

You try to use "on par with it in weight" interchangeably with "sizable wolves". Only problem is, cougars are not on par in weight with wolves - and sizable cougars are 9 times out of 10 larger than sizable wolves.

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You can post as many cases you want of them killing yearling males and females and such. But you never hear of a cougar taking out a 4-5 year old male in its prime size and fighting capacity.

I'm sure you can find some here, I don't have the energy right now to do that myself:
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9333980/1/

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and we aren't even talking about the rare 150lbs and heavier ones.

Of course you aren't because freak cougars beat freak wolves, like average cougars beat average wolves.

If you try to use a large 170 pound wolf, I could easily use a 230 pound cougar. No matter how formidable a wolf is, there's a cougar out there which can kill it quite confidently.
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Aug 23 2014, 12:50 AM
There's no footage of Lioness killing ADULT Hyenas, all the footage shows Lioness struggling to kill Hyenas and not even injuring them. If a Lioness can't then why should a male Leopard be able too? I also thing that a Jaguar may hurt a Hyena, but they would fail at killing the animal too.

I think the thought of Leopards being able to kill Hyenas is an inaccurate ideology that needs to be re-analyzed amongst animal vs animal contributors!!

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Reminds me of this
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Both are capable to kill each other, so in the wild, in 99% cases they intinctly know this and avoid a fight to the death. And hyenas are cowards wich never travel or figh alone but in large groups
Anyway I think leopard will usually win.
Thie kind on internet childish debates makes me think about real animal fights in the past. A real fight to the death in captivity pit between a large male leopard and a female spotted hyaena should not be as hard to organize.
Consifering that the leopards and especially hyenas are not particullary endangerd species.
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When it gets to the point you gotta edit people post, you realize who's really the one that's doubting themselves.
I was doing it to make a point, and it highlighted pretty much the only difference between my opinion and yours. ;)

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Please show me a cougar taking out a male wolf on par with it in weight. Everything else is irrelevant.

Really, and what if both are adult males, but the cougar just happens to be larger than the wolf? (as they usually are)
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Point remains lone cougar don't take sizeable wolves.

And how did you get to this conclusion from your previous premise?

You try to use "on par with it in weight" interchangeably with "sizable wolves". Only problem is, cougars are not on par in weight with wolves - and sizable cougars are 9 times out of 10 larger than sizable wolves.

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You can post as many cases you want of them killing yearling males and females and such. But you never hear of a cougar taking out a 4-5 year old male in its prime size and fighting capacity.

I'm sure you can find some here, I don't have the energy right now to do that myself:
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9333980/1/

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and we aren't even talking about the rare 150lbs and heavier ones.

Of course you aren't because freak cougars beat freak wolves, like average cougars beat average wolves.

If you try to use a large 170 pound wolf, I could easily use a 230 pound cougar. No matter how formidable a wolf is, there's a cougar out there which can kill it quite confidently.
He's raging again ^o)

Still didn't give me what I asked for. People talk cougar superiority at parity to wolves and similar yet there's no proof. Yet now you're trying to tell me cougar are superior because they're bigger? Mkay.

Yea, ok. Guess opinion are now the evidence hm? And nope the link you posted doesn't have any, cause they don't exist. Probably the real reason you didn't look yet.
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 27 2014, 08:49 PM.
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