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Rethinking that Leopards can beat Hyenas..can they really?
Topic Started: Aug 23 2014, 12:50 AM (16,248 Views)
Shin
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Aug 27 2014, 08:36 PM
A real fight to the death in captivity pit between a large male leopard and a female spotted hyaena should not be as hard to organize.
Consifering that the leopards and especially hyenas are not particullary endangerd species.
uhhhhhh....some might deem that as 'unethical' and/or 'inhumane' rolleyes


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Aug 23 2014, 06:23 AM
the account w/ the multiple hyenas failing to dominate the lone leopard tom & leopard toms surviving attacks from multiple lions puts the leopard in a different echelon than any canid-morph carnivore could ever hope to be in...

It always comes down to the superior dexterity combined with the explosive athletic ability of the leopard; the inability of a lone hyena to effectively predate adult warthogs also high lights this.
Pure nonsense.. such a fight depends heavily on the individuals involved.

People seem to forget that in nature it's very rare for two equally impressive animals to fight to the last breath. For one one of them may not be a large adult in its prime and for two one of the fighters may lose interest and retreat perhaps after getting the impression that it's not worth the risk. A pet dog/cat may scare away a bear so technically not only it survives the encounter but also walks out victorious does that justify favoring a cat over a bear in a death fight?
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the leopard is not a pussy...lol
i ca't see how the hyena wins actually, describe?
but i can see a big cat doing so...
much better weapons...
i don't really love the 60 kg mark leopard they look weak and that why people think they are weak... what the hell is that?
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but for real... everything starting from 70 kg will destroy a hyena in an arena
(the leopard is too smart to get bitten and get is powerful limbs broken in the wild )
but!
a female hyena that is around the max weight of 75 will be challange
i think the leopard is the strongest cat than the jaguar
they have the strengh of 180 kg tigers and up...
so you got the point

75 kg of any cat is going to win
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i ca't see how the hyena wins actually, describe?

Biting...?

Edited by Taipan, Nov 26 2016, 12:09 PM.
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Nov 26 2016, 12:08 AM
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i ca't see how the hyena wins actually, describe?

Biting...?

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i think the leopard is the strongest cat than the jaguar
they have the strengh of 180 kg tigers and up...


i love tigers!!!
they just not as strong...
by the way thats not really nice...

and how he will bite him to death? the leopard is a doll or a toy?
Edited by Taipan, Nov 26 2016, 12:09 PM.
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i love tigers!!!
they just not as strong...

Comparing a leopard with a tiger at normal weights is at the Top 3 most insane things I've ever read in this forum. And please, explain why a tiger is weaker than a leopard at parity.

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and how he will bite him to death? the leopard is a doll or a toy?

The same way they fight each other and kill prey...? If you think a hyena's bite can't do damage to the leopard, then I'm the one who is asking you if you think the hyena is a doll or a toy.
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And please, explain why a tiger is weaker than a leopard at parity.


Probably because he saw videos/accounts of Leopards carrying large prey in trees,though that is honestly a terrible argument.
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Probably because he saw videos/accounts of Leopards carrying large prey in trees

That's just sad.
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Nov 26 2016, 02:44 AM
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Probably because he saw videos/accounts of Leopards carrying large prey in trees

That's just sad.
what the hell???

yes that it... a leopard killing and carrying a 1 ton bulleland is not good?

so how the tiger is stronger than the leopard?

i am not such a stuipd kid... i know what i am talking
the body to neck to head ratio is far stronger than the tiger
the tiger is around the strengh of a puma
Edited by LeopardNimr, Nov 26 2016, 06:24 AM.
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Nov 26 2016, 06:21 AM
SETA222
Nov 26 2016, 02:44 AM
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Probably because he saw videos/accounts of Leopards carrying large prey in trees

That's just sad.
what the hell???

yes that it... a leopard killing and carrying a 1 ton bulleland is not good?

so how the tiger is stronger than the leopard?

i am not such a stuipd kid... i know what i am talking
the body to neck to head ratio is far stronger than the tiger
the tiger is around the strengh of a puma
Evidence of Leopards pulling 1 TON Animals up trese? Becaues i find it doubtful it carries bull Elands up trees. And Bull Elands dont weight a ton.
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"leopard killing and carrying a 1 ton bulleland is not good?"

Uhh... when?
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yes that it... a leopard killing and carrying a 1 ton bulleland is not good?

The fact that you think a leopard is able to kill a bull eland is even sadder, but the fact that you think a leopard is able to carry an 1 ton animal in trees makes me cringe. The leopard only climbs with it's prey up trees because they need to avoid having it's kill stolen from predators, other felines don't do it because they simply don't need to. Pulling a half-eaten carcass and dragging it up the tree when it lost most of its body weight is hardly impressive, and any big cat at the leopard's weight would be able to do it if they actually needed to.

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so how the tiger is stronger than the leopard?

Being much heavier than it, and also having consequently a harder bite. The fact that you deny that the leopard would get it's @ss beaten by a big cat that is more than 3 times heavier is just completely INSANE. I think that even if Satya was a leopard fanboy he wouldn't be able to say something like this, that's just completely insane. And you still haven't even shown proof for the tiger being weaker at parity, imagine it having such a size advantage. I'm totally sure that if you keep affirming this type of thing you will turn into a forum's meme, just like Ursus Panthera and Satya.

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i am not such a stuipd kid... i know what i am talking
the body to neck to head ratio is far stronger than the tiger

You don't do this type of affirmation without a reliable source, and even then just the size advantage would be enough for the tiger to win comfortably.

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the tiger is around the strengh of a puma

That's just insane. I can already seen that you will turn into a meme soon.




Edited by SETA222, Nov 26 2016, 09:49 AM.
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yes that it... a leopard killing and carrying a 1 ton bulleland is not good?


It is unwise to determine an animal's strength by its feats.
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By the way: "Tiger kills leopard for intruding into its territory
LUCKNOW: The shrinking forest cover has brought even tigers and leopards face to face within protected areas. The law of the jungle maintains that if a Leopard trespasses onto a tiger's territory then it gets killed. That is what happened on Sunday when a leopard entered into the territory of the tiger and was killed by the latter, in North Kheri forest division.

The leopard was an adult and the pugmarks of the tiger around its body confirm that the leopard died while fighting with the tiger. According to KK Singh, divisional forest officer, North Kheri, the leopard could have been killed by the tiger when it trespassed on its territory.

The body of the leopard was found lying in Matehi village area of North Kheri on Sunday. The body was brought to Dhaurara range of the division for the post-mortem and further investigation. However, the tiger did not eat the leopard.

North kheri is almost adjacent to Nishangadha range of Katarniaghat division. Katarniaghat has a good population of leopards which keeps visiting North Kheri region.

The tussle between the tigers and leopards can also be explained in terms of the declining prey base. Both the big cats depend on wild boars and blue bulls for the diet but the forests are slowly getting devoid of these animals. The leopard was a victim of this battle for supremacy.
" http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Tiger-kills-leopard-for-intruding-into-its-territory/articleshow/3905476.cms?referral=PM

Leopard and Tiger Interactions at Royal Chitwan National Park


Dr. Charles McDougal is one of the world's most dedicated tiger researchers and prime advocates of their conservation. He gained his PhD in anthropology, but since 1961 has spent most of his time in tiger country in Nepal and India. Since 1972 he has been Director of Wildlife Activities at Tiger Tops Jungle Lodge in Royal Chitwan National Park. At present he is writing a new book about his long-term tiger studies. His article "Leopard and Tiger Interactions at Royal Chitwan National Park, Nepal" was first published in 1988 and is presented here unabridged.

Earlier studies in and adjacent to the park found evidence of high leopard mortality. Suitable habitat was not occupied for extended periods, suggesting that the population was experiencing difficulty replacing itself. Under certain conditions leopards succeed in co-existing with tigers, the former being socially subordinate to the latter. Nevertheless, leopards are not common in habitat where tiger density is high. They are most prevalent on the peripheries of the park, sandwiched between prime tiger habitat, on the one side, and cultivated village land on the other, dependant on both natural prey and domestic livestock. Tigers as well as humans contribute to leopard mortality.

During a period of 21 months, six leopard deaths were recorded. Although all occurred within 7 sqkm, this does not represent the total area the leopards had used. Five were killed by tigers; the cause of death in the sixth case is unknown. In April 1986 the remains of a subadult male, estimated to be 18 months old, were discovered in Sal forest at the foot of some hills. Wounds indicated that it had been killed by a tiger, the tracks of which were discovered nearby. Two months later, the decomposed carcass of a large leopard, presumed to be a male, was discovered in nearby riverine habitat; it was not possible to ascertain the cause of death.

Ten months after the first leopard had been killed, a female leopard and her two small cubs were walking along a path through grassland near the Rapti River, on the edge of the park, when they were encountered by a tigress. The latter killed the mother leopard, dragged her body 75 metres, and devoured everything except the head and front paws. The two cubs escaped but returned the next night, when the tigress found and killed them not far from where she had fed on their mother. The leopard cubs were discovered seven metres apart, where they had been dragged in opposite directions by the two small (six months old) cubs of the tigress.

The skulls of both, one a male and the other a female, weighing 5.7 and 5.2 kilograms respectively, had been crushed; their bodies were intact except for about half a kilogram of flesh which had been eaten from the hindquarters of each by the tiger cubs; the tail of one was also missing.

During the next 11 months, when the resident female was not replaced, a large male leopard intermittently used the area. In January 1988 his 4-5 day old remains were discovered in a patch of partially burnt grass. Canine punctures at the nape of the neck, the vertebrate of which were shattered, as well as wounds on the back left no doubt that he had been killed by a tiger, most probably an adult female.

Two factors appear to have a bearing on the extermination of so many leopards by tigers in one area during a short period of time. First, subsequent to the establishment of the park in 1973 effective protection and good management have led to an increase in the prey base and a commensurate rise in tiger density. In a tract of western Chitwan of just under 100 sqkm, including the smaller area where leopard mortality was recorded, the number of resident breeding adult tigers doubled from four to eight in the 11 years 1976-87. Secondly in this sector, very little peripheral habitat remains available for leopards. As human pressure inside the park has been largely eliminated by protection, it has increased outside, with consequent clearing of adjacent forest and scrubland. Now prime tiger habitat on one side of the Rapti River, the park boundary, faces open terrain with little cover on the other. These factors would increase the likelihood of confrontation between tigers and leopards.

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To all those thinking that the Leopard is the strongest cat because of its feats:I'll (imprecisely) quote a post from the member BlackIce in another thread:

"Everyone, due to amazing feats no other animal has done, men are lb 4 lb THE STRONGEST animals on earth lol . Stronger than leopard, tiger, bear, crocodiles, sabertooths, Even T-REX!!!!

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WE ARE TITANS! DUE TO OUR AMAZING FEATS!!!!!!

lol lol lol better feats mean you are pound for pound the strongest right? I'm going to go benchpress Greenland now!"
Edited by Carnotaur, Nov 26 2016, 10:21 AM.
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