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| Barbary Lion v Siberian Tiger | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM (31,712 Views) | |
| Taipan | Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM Post #1 |
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Barbary Lion - Panthera leo leo The Barbary lion, sometimes referred to as the Atlas lion, is an African lion population that is considered extinct in the wild and is among the biggest lion subspecies. It is believed that the last Barbary lion was shot in the western Maghreb during the year 1942 near Tizi n'Tichka. The Barbary lion was first described by the Austrian zoologist Johann Nepomuk Meyer under the trinomen Felis leo barbaricus on the basis of a type specimen from Barbary. The Barbary lion was long considered one of the biggest lion subspecies. Museum specimens of male Barbary lion were described as having very dark and long-haired manes that extended over the shoulder and to the belly. Head-to-tail length of stuffed males varies from 2.35 to 2.8 m (7 ft 9 in to 9 ft 2 in), and females measure around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). A 19th century hunter described a large male allegedly measuring 3.25 m (10.7 ft) including a 75 cm (30 in) long tail. In some historic accounts the weight of wild males was indicated as very heavy and reaching 270 to 300 kilograms (600 to 660 lb). But the accuracy of the measurements may be questionable, and the sample size of captive Barbary lions were too small to conclude they were the biggest lion subspecies. ![]() Siberian Tiger - Panthera tigris altaica The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, is a tiger subspecies inhabiting mainly the Sikhote Alin mountain region with a small subpopulation in southwest Primorye province in the Russian Far East. In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Amur tigers in this region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The Siberian tiger is reddish-rusty or rusty-yellow in colour, with narrow black transverse stripes. Measurements taken by scientists of the Siberian Tiger Project in Sikhote-Alin range from 178 to 208 cm (70 to 82 in) in head and body length measured in straight line, with an average of 195 cm (77 in) for males; and for females ranging from 167 to 182 cm (66 to 72 in) with an average of 174 cm (69 in). The average tail measures 99 cm (39 in) in males and 91 cm (36 in) in females. The longest male “Maurice” measured 309 cm (122 in) in total length (tail of 101 cm (40 in)) and had a chest girth of 127 cm (50 in). The longest female “Maria Ivanna” measured 270 cm (110 in) in total length (tail of 88 cm (35 in)) and had a chest girth of 108 cm (43 in). These measurements show that the present Amur tiger is longer than the Bengal tiger and the African lion. According to modern research of wild Siberian tigers in Sikhote-Alin, an average adult male of more than 35 months of age weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb), the average asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); an adult tigress weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb). The mean weight of historical Siberian tigers is supposed to be higher: 215.3 kg (475 lb) for male tigers and 137.5 kg (303 lb) for females. In May 2011, a male called “Banzai” weighing 207 kg (460 lb) was radio-collared. This individual is heavier but smaller in size than a previously radio-collared male. The largest male, with largely assured references, measured 350 cm (140 in) "over curves", equivalent to 330 cm (130 in) between pegs. The tail length in fully grown males is about 1 m (39 in). Weights of up to 318 kg (700 lb) have been recorded and exceptionally large males weighing up to 384 kg (850 lb) are mentioned in the literature but, according to Mazák, none of these cases can be confirmed via reliable sources. ![]()
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| Batman | Oct 20 2014, 10:43 PM Post #2 |
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Nice match! I think the Barbary Lion wins though, there are many reports of Barbary Lions killing Tigers because not only does the Tiger have a non-existent size advantage over the Barbary, but the Barbary had a massive mane (literally, huge) to protect itself. |
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| 7574 | Oct 20 2014, 11:36 PM Post #3 |
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tiger win more aggressive more powerful bite lion weight |
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| hawkkeye | Oct 21 2014, 12:50 AM Post #4 |
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Like in the most account with tiger vs. lion on similar weight, tiger wins easily. |
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| Batman | Oct 21 2014, 12:54 AM Post #5 |
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Where did you get that misinformation from? Barbary Lions were documented to kill Tigers; on average they were larger than Tigers. Here is a link, it has 65 accounts of Lions killing Tigers. Lions killing Tigers --- 65 accounts |
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| Amur | Oct 21 2014, 02:09 AM Post #6 |
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The mane isn't a big as a factor as most people think. |
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| Batman | Oct 21 2014, 02:11 AM Post #7 |
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Not the case with the Barbary Lion. The Barbary Lion was the largest sub-species of Lion. It's mane was humongous. |
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| Amur | Oct 21 2014, 02:22 AM Post #8 |
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The barbary lion is not bigger than most of the other lion subspecies. Where are you getting this nonsense from? |
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| Batman | Oct 21 2014, 02:26 AM Post #9 |
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They were the largest sub-species, and I do not count pre-historic versions Barbary Lion info --- the largest Lions |
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| Amur | Oct 21 2014, 02:32 AM Post #10 |
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http://animalbattle.yuku.com/topic/55/The-size-of-the-Barbary-lion#.VEU-Ahaxyhx Here's some data weight and size info on the atlas lion. Those exaggerated weights were unconfirmed or hybrid captive males
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| Batman | Oct 21 2014, 02:40 AM Post #11 |
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I've read that website. It's reports stem from those who did not measure the size and that does not really answer the question of size. They are essentially saying ''We haven't measured the size, so, it's not as large as you think'' Here is a reliable source listing it as the largest sub-species: http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/barbary-lion.cfm And here is a reliable, unbias source which confirms a Siberian Tiger is only really the same size as a Bengal: http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/barbary-lion.cfm |
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| hawkkeye | Oct 21 2014, 03:11 AM Post #12 |
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Just read the Lion vs Tiger thread. Even at roman games, tigers (caspian subspecies, genetically indifferent from siberian tigers) was highly favorized over barbary lions. And in zoo, when animals met, tigers usually kills lions easily. |
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| Batman | Oct 21 2014, 03:18 AM Post #13 |
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It seems you ignored my link. There are 65 in-depth accounts of Lions killing Tigers, with Korean pit fighters saying the Lion always won, ancient-text saying the bigger mane Lion won (Barbary) and Indian pit-fighters citing the Lion won. Don't let the bias accounts sway you - the WikiPedia page is guilty of it. |
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| Amur | Oct 21 2014, 06:23 AM Post #14 |
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This is from the king of Lion fans. There is no available data to give the thought that Barbary lions are the biggest sub species. The theory that Barbary lions are the biggest derived from having a large mane. |
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| maker | Oct 21 2014, 06:53 AM Post #15 |
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Historic Barbary lion vs historic Siberian tiger, tiger wins. |
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