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| Barbary Lion v Siberian Tiger | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM (31,716 Views) | |
| Taipan | Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM Post #1 |
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Barbary Lion - Panthera leo leo The Barbary lion, sometimes referred to as the Atlas lion, is an African lion population that is considered extinct in the wild and is among the biggest lion subspecies. It is believed that the last Barbary lion was shot in the western Maghreb during the year 1942 near Tizi n'Tichka. The Barbary lion was first described by the Austrian zoologist Johann Nepomuk Meyer under the trinomen Felis leo barbaricus on the basis of a type specimen from Barbary. The Barbary lion was long considered one of the biggest lion subspecies. Museum specimens of male Barbary lion were described as having very dark and long-haired manes that extended over the shoulder and to the belly. Head-to-tail length of stuffed males varies from 2.35 to 2.8 m (7 ft 9 in to 9 ft 2 in), and females measure around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). A 19th century hunter described a large male allegedly measuring 3.25 m (10.7 ft) including a 75 cm (30 in) long tail. In some historic accounts the weight of wild males was indicated as very heavy and reaching 270 to 300 kilograms (600 to 660 lb). But the accuracy of the measurements may be questionable, and the sample size of captive Barbary lions were too small to conclude they were the biggest lion subspecies. ![]() Siberian Tiger - Panthera tigris altaica The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, is a tiger subspecies inhabiting mainly the Sikhote Alin mountain region with a small subpopulation in southwest Primorye province in the Russian Far East. In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Amur tigers in this region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The Siberian tiger is reddish-rusty or rusty-yellow in colour, with narrow black transverse stripes. Measurements taken by scientists of the Siberian Tiger Project in Sikhote-Alin range from 178 to 208 cm (70 to 82 in) in head and body length measured in straight line, with an average of 195 cm (77 in) for males; and for females ranging from 167 to 182 cm (66 to 72 in) with an average of 174 cm (69 in). The average tail measures 99 cm (39 in) in males and 91 cm (36 in) in females. The longest male “Maurice” measured 309 cm (122 in) in total length (tail of 101 cm (40 in)) and had a chest girth of 127 cm (50 in). The longest female “Maria Ivanna” measured 270 cm (110 in) in total length (tail of 88 cm (35 in)) and had a chest girth of 108 cm (43 in). These measurements show that the present Amur tiger is longer than the Bengal tiger and the African lion. According to modern research of wild Siberian tigers in Sikhote-Alin, an average adult male of more than 35 months of age weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb), the average asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); an adult tigress weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb). The mean weight of historical Siberian tigers is supposed to be higher: 215.3 kg (475 lb) for male tigers and 137.5 kg (303 lb) for females. In May 2011, a male called “Banzai” weighing 207 kg (460 lb) was radio-collared. This individual is heavier but smaller in size than a previously radio-collared male. The largest male, with largely assured references, measured 350 cm (140 in) "over curves", equivalent to 330 cm (130 in) between pegs. The tail length in fully grown males is about 1 m (39 in). Weights of up to 318 kg (700 lb) have been recorded and exceptionally large males weighing up to 384 kg (850 lb) are mentioned in the literature but, according to Mazák, none of these cases can be confirmed via reliable sources. ![]()
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| Asadas | Oct 22 2014, 02:56 AM Post #31 |
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Beautiful Siberian, genetically engineered captive tiger. In the right conditions it should reach 305 kg. A captive lion I believe over 800 lbs but not true to its natural size. ![]() ![]() Beautiful big Siberian ![]() ![]() ![]()
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| Amur | Oct 22 2014, 03:27 AM Post #32 |
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Yep. no way a wild lion will ever get that big because lions don't get neutered in the wild (increase in weight)And yes tigers can pack more weight than lions but tigers normally are longer and have bigger upper larger arms and chest (along with other things). ![]() No way can a healthy African lion or Bengal can get this big. This is a modern ngandong tiger. Around 900 lbs in his prime |
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| Batman | Oct 22 2014, 04:11 AM Post #33 |
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That Lion is not 800lbs; that looks to be more a Liger than a Lion. We have unbias scientific records confirming a Siberian is not bigger than a Bengal; whereas the Barbary was nearly a foot shorter than the African at the Shoulder but much more compact, it NEEDED to be, it's muscular short legs were a compensation to it's higher weight. |
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| Amur | Oct 22 2014, 10:53 AM Post #34 |
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And we have NEWER unbias scientific information that the Atlas lion was not as big as once stated. It was closer to the size of an Indian Lion. But you still have people such as ASAD (who has been debunked many times) misinforming people by posting pictures of captive lions with a large mane and claiming them to be Barbary lions. Many lions in zoos are called barbary, mistakenly. If it has a belly mane then it should be a Barbary lion. ![]() ![]() . |
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| The All-seeing Night | Oct 22 2014, 11:53 AM Post #35 |
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hey guys. When you send scans of text, can you cite where they're from? |
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| Taipan | Oct 22 2014, 02:10 PM Post #36 |
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Here's an actual (verified) 1,025 lb tiger - 'Jaipur" ![]() Yes, humans are pigs
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| Amur | Oct 22 2014, 02:52 PM Post #37 |
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Obesity in captive animals is not limited to only Amur Tigers, you see this often with bears lions and other animals. It also doesn't take the fact that this 900+ lbs 125cm shoulder height Tiger is a healthy yet robust animal. It also has bone structure that is not seen in your everyday Lions. ![]() Siberians are freaks of nature. ![]() Edited by Amur, Oct 22 2014, 02:54 PM.
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| Asadas | Oct 23 2014, 04:09 AM Post #38 |
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A neutered lion or tiger will reach over 800 lbs in captivity but have weaker larger bones than those in the wild. The Siberian tiger is worlds largest cat in Captivity by 100 lbs over Bengal tiger or African lion. However the chest size of Ngorongoro lions is squal with Siberian tigers per Dr. Packer. And we don't know enough about Atlas lions to come to any conclusion on height based on limited bones we have. ..he Ethiopian lion has a distinctive dark mane and is slightly smaller and more compact than other African lions. Now an analysis of its DNA has revealed the Ethiopian lion is also a distinct breed. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/dna-confirms-ethiopian-lions-are-genetically-distinct-group-8207559.html Lions in captivity develope belly manes though they are not Atlas, or Cape lions or Persian, and cooler climates higher elevation per Bergmans rule are larger in size. The lions at Addis are not Atlas lions they reside on opposite sides of the African continent, and have unique DNA. Atlas lion from cat tales in Washington state does it look short? It weighed between 650- 700 lbs before it passed away last year. ..Dr. Tataryn was chosen to treat the 650-pound lion http://www.llu.edu/dentistry/news/index.page?story_id=1032 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wlHi_KK1U&feature=player_embedded |
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| Amur | Oct 23 2014, 05:24 AM Post #39 |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8109000/8109945.stm
BARBARY LIONS CAPTIVE OR IN THE WILD DO NOT EXIST. |
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| 1.0reef | Oct 23 2014, 10:26 AM Post #40 |
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50/50 if these are Amur tigers before their range was shrunk and human civilization wasn't as plentiful, I'd give a tiny edge to them. |
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| Asadas | Oct 23 2014, 11:19 PM Post #41 |
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The blood sample of Zamba from catales was sent to Oxford Uk no results have been published. The Atlas lion has a unique skull not shared from any other lion, confirmed by dna and skull samples available. Not an Atlas lion but due to cold climate and peaceful captive existence it developes an enormous belly mane. ![]() Although no pure lions exist from Atlas region, Dr Yamaguchi has suggested rewinding Northwest Africa with Persian lions as their far geographic cousin. |
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| Feline | Oct 24 2014, 03:36 AM Post #42 |
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Was not siberian tiger's average weight (190 kg) measured in only one region? How can they become smaller in next generation? |
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| Batman | Oct 24 2014, 03:49 AM Post #43 |
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Barbary Lion still wins. |
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| Amur | Oct 24 2014, 03:54 AM Post #44 |
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That's a regal looking animal, but still, Barbary lions are not the animals every one thinks they are. They would be 100 lbs less than a Siberian (or less) and you know it. As for the climate changing.
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| Batman | Oct 24 2014, 03:56 AM Post #45 |
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The Siberian, same size as Bengal, beats a the larger Lion, riiight |
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