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Barbary Lion v Siberian Tiger
Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM (31,715 Views)
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Barbary Lion - Panthera leo leo
The Barbary lion, sometimes referred to as the Atlas lion, is an African lion population that is considered extinct in the wild and is among the biggest lion subspecies. It is believed that the last Barbary lion was shot in the western Maghreb during the year 1942 near Tizi n'Tichka. The Barbary lion was first described by the Austrian zoologist Johann Nepomuk Meyer under the trinomen Felis leo barbaricus on the basis of a type specimen from Barbary. The Barbary lion was long considered one of the biggest lion subspecies. Museum specimens of male Barbary lion were described as having very dark and long-haired manes that extended over the shoulder and to the belly. Head-to-tail length of stuffed males varies from 2.35 to 2.8 m (7 ft 9 in to 9 ft 2 in), and females measure around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). A 19th century hunter described a large male allegedly measuring 3.25 m (10.7 ft) including a 75 cm (30 in) long tail. In some historic accounts the weight of wild males was indicated as very heavy and reaching 270 to 300 kilograms (600 to 660 lb). But the accuracy of the measurements may be questionable, and the sample size of captive Barbary lions were too small to conclude they were the biggest lion subspecies.

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Siberian Tiger - Panthera tigris altaica
The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, is a tiger subspecies inhabiting mainly the Sikhote Alin mountain region with a small subpopulation in southwest Primorye province in the Russian Far East. In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Amur tigers in this region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The Siberian tiger is reddish-rusty or rusty-yellow in colour, with narrow black transverse stripes. Measurements taken by scientists of the Siberian Tiger Project in Sikhote-Alin range from 178 to 208 cm (70 to 82 in) in head and body length measured in straight line, with an average of 195 cm (77 in) for males; and for females ranging from 167 to 182 cm (66 to 72 in) with an average of 174 cm (69 in). The average tail measures 99 cm (39 in) in males and 91 cm (36 in) in females. The longest male “Maurice” measured 309 cm (122 in) in total length (tail of 101 cm (40 in)) and had a chest girth of 127 cm (50 in). The longest female “Maria Ivanna” measured 270 cm (110 in) in total length (tail of 88 cm (35 in)) and had a chest girth of 108 cm (43 in). These measurements show that the present Amur tiger is longer than the Bengal tiger and the African lion. According to modern research of wild Siberian tigers in Sikhote-Alin, an average adult male of more than 35 months of age weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb), the average asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); an adult tigress weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb). The mean weight of historical Siberian tigers is supposed to be higher: 215.3 kg (475 lb) for male tigers and 137.5 kg (303 lb) for females. In May 2011, a male called “Banzai” weighing 207 kg (460 lb) was radio-collared. This individual is heavier but smaller in size than a previously radio-collared male. The largest male, with largely assured references, measured 350 cm (140 in) "over curves", equivalent to 330 cm (130 in) between pegs. The tail length in fully grown males is about 1 m (39 in). Weights of up to 318 kg (700 lb) have been recorded and exceptionally large males weighing up to 384 kg (850 lb) are mentioned in the literature but, according to Mazák, none of these cases can be confirmed via reliable sources.

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Batman
Oct 20 2014, 04:52 AM
Barbary Lion vs Siberian Tiger.
Edited by Taipan, Dec 23 2016, 11:03 PM.
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Oct 24 2014, 03:49 AM
Barbary Lion still wins.
Nope. They are at a size disadvantage. Siberians have the longest teeth, along with the biggest paws , not to mention longer on average. With the right conditions they can outweigh a Barbary by 48kg
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Oct 24 2014, 03:56 AM
The Siberian, same size as Bengal, beats a the larger Lion, riiight
IIRC Atlas Lions aren't bigger than most African Lions. They do have a larger mane, but I wouldn't think a mountain animal would be larger than a plains animal of the same/similar species.
Actually, according to most sites, these guys had nearly the same average weight. With the larger/largest specimens at 530, and 550lbs. I do know the largest Lion ever was around 650lbs I think.Amur tigers were likely larger before humans started hunting them, and their food.
The only decent source I could find had their height at 95cm, which is quite close to most other subspecies.
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yigit05
Nov 15 2014, 08:18 PM
bengal tiger vs barbary lion


We just had this thread!
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I say historical tiger kills Barbary, but tiger now loses, because of its reduction of size caused by humans, and large tiger sizes are more reliable than ancient texts.
Edited by Sleipnir, Nov 16 2014, 03:38 AM.
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Oct 24 2014, 03:54 AM
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Oct 23 2014, 05:24 AM
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Oct 23 2014, 04:09 AM
A neutered lion or tiger will reach over 800 lbs in captivity but have weaker larger bones than those in the wild.

The Siberian tiger is worlds largest cat in Captivity by 100 lbs over Bengal tiger or African lion.

However the chest size of Ngorongoro lions is squal with Siberian tigers per Dr. Packer. And we don't know enough about Atlas lions to come to any conclusion on height based on limited bones we have.

..he Ethiopian lion has a distinctive dark mane and is slightly smaller and more compact than other African lions. Now an analysis of its DNA has revealed the Ethiopian lion is also a distinct breed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/dna-confirms-ethiopian-lions-are-genetically-distinct-group-8207559.html

Lions in captivity develope belly manes though they are not Atlas, or Cape lions or Persian, and cooler climates higher elevation per Bergmans rule are larger in size.

The lions at Addis are not Atlas lions they reside on opposite sides of the African continent, and have unique DNA.

Atlas lion from cat tales in Washington state does it look short? It weighed between 650- 700 lbs before it passed away last year.

..Dr. Tataryn was chosen to treat the 650-pound lion

http://www.llu.edu/dentistry/news/index.page?story_id=1032
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wlHi_KK1U&feature=player_embedded

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8109000/8109945.stm


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"There is strong circumstantial evidence, therefore, that the animals at Rabat zoo were a relic from the original Barbary lions collected from the wild," says Black.

However, the possibility that some Barbary lions survive, and they may be the last remnants of a lost subspecies of lion, has become an extremely marketable concept.

"It is not uncommon for zoos to advertise [that they possess a Barbary lion] when there is little or no evidence to back up the fact," Black says.




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rbary lion news, this is shocking: smiley: eek



“There is no Barbary Lion project any more. Only 5 lions were determined to have had sufficient Barbary or Black Mane DNA to have been candidates for bringing this species back from the edge of extinction. The only female was Sarabi at Big Cat Rescue who died from cancer in 2007. It is unlikely that the four males identified are still living. The following was the attempt made to save this beautiful lion by the King of Morocco, but when he died the dream died with him.



Yamaguchi, who co-authored the new study, says that to date no living Barbary lions have been confirmed in captivity, despite various rumors to the contrary.”



2007 Update:

Unfortunately the only female lion thought to be an appropriate candidate for breeding has died. The project has collapsed and there is no hope of reviving the Barbary Lion.



Source: http://bigcatrescue.org/barbary-lions/




BARBARY LIONS CAPTIVE OR IN THE WILD DO NOT EXIST.

That's a regal looking animal, but still, Barbary lions are not the animals every one thinks they are. They would be 100 lbs less than a Siberian (or less) and you know it.
As for the climate changing.



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And Bergmann's rule has been drunk time and time again Do you not realize that many contemporary scientists dismiss/criticise it? Valerius Geist noted that the correlation with temperature is spurious, instead he found body size is proportional to the duration of the annual productivity pulse, or food availability-per-animal during the growing season.

Evidence is strong against: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=udCnKce9hfoC&pg=PA161&dq=bergmann%27s+rule+is+invalid&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QdhFUo78NYGCtAaIv4CoDg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bergmann%27s%20rule%20is%20invalid&f=false


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Another example of your example being exposed


Barbary lion was not the biggest lion at the time and it wouldn't be the biggest had it been alive.


Siberian wins due to size advantage
Godzilla doesn't exist and Ad lions were not Atlas lions they live in opposite side of African continent.
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A Pleistocene Barbary lion skull, 17 inches long and same size with the Cave lion.

http://www.dinolandplus.com/animal-index/view/category/lions
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Aug 7 2015, 02:49 AM
A Pleistocene Barbary lion skull, 17 inches long and same size with the Cave lion.

http://www.dinolandplus.com/animal-index/view/category/lions
"Its 17” Long as measured around the upper curve from back of incisors to back tip of sagittal crest "
The skull is slightly shorter than 17 inches.
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siberian Tiger will easily destroy any barbary lion, even bengal tigers have destroyed barbary lions in historical battles, the barbary lion name was atlas which was destroyed by bengal tiger.

siberian tiger vs barbary lion comparison
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^You say that as if Siberian tigers are a great deal more impressive than Bengal tigers.

Anyway. Your argument in a nutshell
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some one being butthurt, i think your statement is nutshell kid.
you angry kid stop hating and be man you sound like a hateful person,i can feel hate coming from you.
Edited by animalkingdom, Jun 15 2016, 02:26 PM.
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Just for you're information, bengal tiger are bigger than siberian tiger nowaday.
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Is it true that the average size of the Siberian Tiger has dropped in recent decades, or is that a myth?
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Takeshi
Jun 16 2016, 02:06 AM
Is it true that the average size of the Siberian Tiger has dropped in recent decades, or is that a myth?
Apparently yes, they don't have the food ressource that they have in the past (thanks to human) and therefore they cannot reach their pick size anymore. I don't know exactly when this decrease in size have start, but lets just say that they were bigger in the past. Today, they are smaller than the largest lion's subspecies. However, they still are the biggest cat in captivity.
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It seems to me that these two animals are of fairly equal size, so I think the defensive mane of the Barbary Lion gives it a slight edge here.
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Jun 15 2016, 11:36 AM
siberian Tiger will easily destroy any barbary lion, even bengal tigers have destroyed barbary lions in historical battles, the barbary lion name was atlas which was destroyed by bengal tiger.

siberian tiger vs barbary lion comparison

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yes tigers are superior to lion in most things :
tigers are
better at swimming
more agile
more aggressive
better climber than lion
better jumper
higher bite force
bigger paws and nails
bigger and sharper teeth
bigger and wider head 16 percent larger brain than lion,hence more intelligent
bigger size


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lion evolved to fight,thats what they do and are expert in, lion can even hunt pretty good to
lion fights are more brutal than tiger, tigers aren't as brave as lions thats the fact.

lion have far more greater stamina than tiger,lions are more tougher than tiger, barbary lions are biggest cat.


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tigers wins 99 percent of the time if you put a healthy male tiger vs healthy male lion
tiger will destroy lion.

even female tigers have killed lion in past,against male tiger, lion stand no chance.

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for me barbary lion will beat bengal tiger 9/10


You're like the Gollum of the Lion vs Tiger debate.
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