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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM (31,715 Views) | |
| Taipan | Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM Post #1 |
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Barbary Lion - Panthera leo leo The Barbary lion, sometimes referred to as the Atlas lion, is an African lion population that is considered extinct in the wild and is among the biggest lion subspecies. It is believed that the last Barbary lion was shot in the western Maghreb during the year 1942 near Tizi n'Tichka. The Barbary lion was first described by the Austrian zoologist Johann Nepomuk Meyer under the trinomen Felis leo barbaricus on the basis of a type specimen from Barbary. The Barbary lion was long considered one of the biggest lion subspecies. Museum specimens of male Barbary lion were described as having very dark and long-haired manes that extended over the shoulder and to the belly. Head-to-tail length of stuffed males varies from 2.35 to 2.8 m (7 ft 9 in to 9 ft 2 in), and females measure around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). A 19th century hunter described a large male allegedly measuring 3.25 m (10.7 ft) including a 75 cm (30 in) long tail. In some historic accounts the weight of wild males was indicated as very heavy and reaching 270 to 300 kilograms (600 to 660 lb). But the accuracy of the measurements may be questionable, and the sample size of captive Barbary lions were too small to conclude they were the biggest lion subspecies. ![]() Siberian Tiger - Panthera tigris altaica The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, is a tiger subspecies inhabiting mainly the Sikhote Alin mountain region with a small subpopulation in southwest Primorye province in the Russian Far East. In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Amur tigers in this region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The Siberian tiger is reddish-rusty or rusty-yellow in colour, with narrow black transverse stripes. Measurements taken by scientists of the Siberian Tiger Project in Sikhote-Alin range from 178 to 208 cm (70 to 82 in) in head and body length measured in straight line, with an average of 195 cm (77 in) for males; and for females ranging from 167 to 182 cm (66 to 72 in) with an average of 174 cm (69 in). The average tail measures 99 cm (39 in) in males and 91 cm (36 in) in females. The longest male “Maurice” measured 309 cm (122 in) in total length (tail of 101 cm (40 in)) and had a chest girth of 127 cm (50 in). The longest female “Maria Ivanna” measured 270 cm (110 in) in total length (tail of 88 cm (35 in)) and had a chest girth of 108 cm (43 in). These measurements show that the present Amur tiger is longer than the Bengal tiger and the African lion. According to modern research of wild Siberian tigers in Sikhote-Alin, an average adult male of more than 35 months of age weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb), the average asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); an adult tigress weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb). The mean weight of historical Siberian tigers is supposed to be higher: 215.3 kg (475 lb) for male tigers and 137.5 kg (303 lb) for females. In May 2011, a male called “Banzai” weighing 207 kg (460 lb) was radio-collared. This individual is heavier but smaller in size than a previously radio-collared male. The largest male, with largely assured references, measured 350 cm (140 in) "over curves", equivalent to 330 cm (130 in) between pegs. The tail length in fully grown males is about 1 m (39 in). Weights of up to 318 kg (700 lb) have been recorded and exceptionally large males weighing up to 384 kg (850 lb) are mentioned in the literature but, according to Mazák, none of these cases can be confirmed via reliable sources. ![]()
Edited by Taipan, Dec 23 2016, 11:03 PM.
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| Amur | Oct 24 2014, 03:56 AM Post #46 |
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Nope. They are at a size disadvantage. Siberians have the longest teeth, along with the biggest paws , not to mention longer on average. With the right conditions they can outweigh a Barbary by 48kg |
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| 1.0reef | Oct 24 2014, 11:31 AM Post #47 |
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IIRC Atlas Lions aren't bigger than most African Lions. They do have a larger mane, but I wouldn't think a mountain animal would be larger than a plains animal of the same/similar species. Actually, according to most sites, these guys had nearly the same average weight. With the larger/largest specimens at 530, and 550lbs. I do know the largest Lion ever was around 650lbs I think.Amur tigers were likely larger before humans started hunting them, and their food. The only decent source I could find had their height at 95cm, which is quite close to most other subspecies. |
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| Taipan | Nov 15 2014, 10:32 PM Post #48 |
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We just had this thread! |
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| Sleipnir | Nov 16 2014, 03:37 AM Post #49 |
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I say historical tiger kills Barbary, but tiger now loses, because of its reduction of size caused by humans, and large tiger sizes are more reliable than ancient texts.
Edited by Sleipnir, Nov 16 2014, 03:38 AM.
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| Asadas | Nov 21 2014, 06:23 AM Post #50 |
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Godzilla doesn't exist and Ad lions were not Atlas lions they live in opposite side of African continent. |
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| GrizzlyClaws | Aug 7 2015, 02:49 AM Post #51 |
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A Pleistocene Barbary lion skull, 17 inches long and same size with the Cave lion. http://www.dinolandplus.com/animal-index/view/category/lions |
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| Warsaw2014 | Aug 7 2015, 05:15 AM Post #52 |
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"Its 17” Long as measured around the upper curve from back of incisors to back tip of sagittal crest " The skull is slightly shorter than 17 inches.
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| animalkingdom | Jun 15 2016, 11:36 AM Post #53 |
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siberian Tiger will easily destroy any barbary lion, even bengal tigers have destroyed barbary lions in historical battles, the barbary lion name was atlas which was destroyed by bengal tiger. siberian tiger vs barbary lion comparison ![]() Edited by animalkingdom, Jun 15 2016, 11:41 AM.
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| The All-seeing Night | Jun 15 2016, 01:48 PM Post #54 |
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You are without honor
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^You say that as if Siberian tigers are a great deal more impressive than Bengal tigers. Anyway. Your argument in a nutshell
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| animalkingdom | Jun 15 2016, 02:25 PM Post #55 |
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some one being butthurt, i think your statement is nutshell kid. you angry kid stop hating and be man you sound like a hateful person,i can feel hate coming from you. Edited by animalkingdom, Jun 15 2016, 02:26 PM.
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| HyperNova | Jun 16 2016, 12:35 AM Post #56 |
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@animalkingdom Just for you're information, bengal tiger are bigger than siberian tiger nowaday. |
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| Takeshi | Jun 16 2016, 02:06 AM Post #57 |
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Is it true that the average size of the Siberian Tiger has dropped in recent decades, or is that a myth? |
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| HyperNova | Jun 16 2016, 02:15 AM Post #58 |
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Apparently yes, they don't have the food ressource that they have in the past (thanks to human) and therefore they cannot reach their pick size anymore. I don't know exactly when this decrease in size have start, but lets just say that they were bigger in the past. Today, they are smaller than the largest lion's subspecies. However, they still are the biggest cat in captivity. Edited by HyperNova, Jun 16 2016, 04:31 AM.
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| Takeshi | Jun 16 2016, 02:17 AM Post #59 |
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It seems to me that these two animals are of fairly equal size, so I think the defensive mane of the Barbary Lion gives it a slight edge here. |
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| Spartan | Jun 16 2016, 04:40 AM Post #60 |
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You're like the Gollum of the Lion vs Tiger debate. |
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