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Barbary Lion v Siberian Tiger
Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM (31,714 Views)
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Barbary Lion - Panthera leo leo
The Barbary lion, sometimes referred to as the Atlas lion, is an African lion population that is considered extinct in the wild and is among the biggest lion subspecies. It is believed that the last Barbary lion was shot in the western Maghreb during the year 1942 near Tizi n'Tichka. The Barbary lion was first described by the Austrian zoologist Johann Nepomuk Meyer under the trinomen Felis leo barbaricus on the basis of a type specimen from Barbary. The Barbary lion was long considered one of the biggest lion subspecies. Museum specimens of male Barbary lion were described as having very dark and long-haired manes that extended over the shoulder and to the belly. Head-to-tail length of stuffed males varies from 2.35 to 2.8 m (7 ft 9 in to 9 ft 2 in), and females measure around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). A 19th century hunter described a large male allegedly measuring 3.25 m (10.7 ft) including a 75 cm (30 in) long tail. In some historic accounts the weight of wild males was indicated as very heavy and reaching 270 to 300 kilograms (600 to 660 lb). But the accuracy of the measurements may be questionable, and the sample size of captive Barbary lions were too small to conclude they were the biggest lion subspecies.

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Siberian Tiger - Panthera tigris altaica
The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, is a tiger subspecies inhabiting mainly the Sikhote Alin mountain region with a small subpopulation in southwest Primorye province in the Russian Far East. In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Amur tigers in this region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The Siberian tiger is reddish-rusty or rusty-yellow in colour, with narrow black transverse stripes. Measurements taken by scientists of the Siberian Tiger Project in Sikhote-Alin range from 178 to 208 cm (70 to 82 in) in head and body length measured in straight line, with an average of 195 cm (77 in) for males; and for females ranging from 167 to 182 cm (66 to 72 in) with an average of 174 cm (69 in). The average tail measures 99 cm (39 in) in males and 91 cm (36 in) in females. The longest male “Maurice” measured 309 cm (122 in) in total length (tail of 101 cm (40 in)) and had a chest girth of 127 cm (50 in). The longest female “Maria Ivanna” measured 270 cm (110 in) in total length (tail of 88 cm (35 in)) and had a chest girth of 108 cm (43 in). These measurements show that the present Amur tiger is longer than the Bengal tiger and the African lion. According to modern research of wild Siberian tigers in Sikhote-Alin, an average adult male of more than 35 months of age weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb), the average asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); an adult tigress weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb). The mean weight of historical Siberian tigers is supposed to be higher: 215.3 kg (475 lb) for male tigers and 137.5 kg (303 lb) for females. In May 2011, a male called “Banzai” weighing 207 kg (460 lb) was radio-collared. This individual is heavier but smaller in size than a previously radio-collared male. The largest male, with largely assured references, measured 350 cm (140 in) "over curves", equivalent to 330 cm (130 in) between pegs. The tail length in fully grown males is about 1 m (39 in). Weights of up to 318 kg (700 lb) have been recorded and exceptionally large males weighing up to 384 kg (850 lb) are mentioned in the literature but, according to Mazák, none of these cases can be confirmed via reliable sources.

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Oct 20 2014, 04:52 AM
Barbary Lion vs Siberian Tiger.
Edited by Taipan, Dec 23 2016, 11:03 PM.
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animalkingdom
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tiger will beat any lion 99 percent of times whether is african lion or barbary lion which is smaller than african lion.

bengal tiger for the win i change my mind.

actually i am more of lion fan and want it to win but when i see tiger i just don't see lion being powerful than tiger.

tiger for the win lets get real now.
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animalkingdom
Jun 16 2016, 12:00 PM
tiger will beat any lion 99 percent of times whether is african lion or barbary lion which is smaller than african lion.

bengal tiger for the win i change my mind.

actually i am more of lion fan and want it to win but when i see tiger i just don't see lion being powerful than tiger.

tiger for the win lets get real now.
Dafuq? you change your opinion like you change clothing.

And saying ''tiger win 99% of the time'' is still nonsense.
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animalkingdom
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its not nonsense even most of expert says tiger will win every time if it were to fight lone lion.

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animalkingdom
Jun 16 2016, 03:22 PM
its not nonsense even most of expert says tiger will win every time if it were to fight lone lion.

Whatever,
Why do you favour the tiger so much in this match? What the tiger have beside his small size advantage? Listen, I myself favour the tiger in this match but saying it win 99% of the time is just ridiculous.
Edited by HyperNova, Jun 17 2016, 01:56 PM.
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There has got to be some quality of discussion, "tiger wins get over it" comments are spam and will be deleted.
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both are capable of defeating each other,it depends on individual experience,size,living style,age(although not so much factor), but i will give siberian tiger more chances,since they are more agile,more bigger canines,claws and their solitary lifestyle.
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I think lions and tigers are similar enough animal that neither holds a decisive advantage over the other at parity. At parity each would win sometimes, depending on the characteristics of the individual animal.

Who would win more often of these two comes down to which tended to be larger.
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Siberian Tiger wins effortless ...

Barbary Lion not very different than African Lion ...
Edited by Skuller_One, Sep 24 2017, 09:13 AM.
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Siberian tiger wins. There is no reason to think barbary lions were bigger than other lions:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalbattle/the-size-of-the-barbary-lion-t55.html#.U0BS8VcXK8w
Edited by Taipan, Dec 28 2017, 04:26 PM.
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^I always understood it as it was shorter than the African Lions but a bit stockier.
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moldovan0731
Dec 28 2017, 02:15 AM
Siberian tiger wins. There is no reason to think barbary lions were bigger than other lions:




Is there any scientific reason to believe Siberians were larger than Lions?
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i think the siberian tiger would win due to longer fangs , nails , and probably more fighting expierence at fighting specially big cats .. african lions due on occasion fight other lions and most of the time they take out the "trouble maker " or the " highest ranked" of the hyena but mostly after that they sit back and indulge themselves while the females due most of the work .. ( i said most of ) not all .. male lions do a lot of hunting themselves but not nearly as much .. tigers are constantly fighting for territory with female tigers or male tigers
usually the first thing a young male tiger does to earn his manhood is to maul his grand father ... i think that a lion probably has the stronger bite though


this thread makes me really  :'( sad by the way f***ing poachers they should make it a law if you kill a endangered animal they give you a choice either 3 years of prison or they clip just a inch off your trigger finger w/ with surgery and a sedative ..which would still let them be able to poach but it wouldnt make it easier
Edited by HerpestidaeB4Cat, Jan 1 2018, 03:41 PM.
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Taipan
Dec 28 2017, 04:25 PM
moldovan0731
Dec 28 2017, 02:15 AM
Siberian tiger wins. There is no reason to think barbary lions were bigger than other lions:




Is there any scientific reason to believe Siberians were larger than Lions?
okay did not realize the were at a parity so then i would have to give to the lion due to its mane and stronger bite force

how was this post bumped and not cojoined with my other post?
Edited by HerpestidaeB4Cat, Jan 1 2018, 03:43 PM.
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Jan 1 2018, 03:42 PM
Taipan
Dec 28 2017, 04:25 PM
moldovan0731
Dec 28 2017, 02:15 AM
Siberian tiger wins. There is no reason to think barbary lions were bigger than other lions:




Is there any scientific reason to believe Siberians were larger than Lions?
okay did not realize the were at a parity so then i would have to give to the lion due to its mane and stronger bite force

how was this post bumped and not cojoined with my other post?
The tiger would have the stronger bite at parity do to its higher BFQ. The tiger's BFQ is 130 compared to the lion's 123. http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9333832/1/ The tiger has significantly larger claws at 4 in for the tiger and 1.5 in for the lion.
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I think this would be a pretty close fight, the barbary lion has a very big mane that could protect it to a certain point, the lion might be bigger than other african lion subspecies. The tiger has a stronger bite than lions of its size and has better claws.
My conclusion:55/100 tiger wins.
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