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Barbary Lion v Siberian Tiger
Topic Started: Oct 20 2014, 08:25 PM (31,713 Views)
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Barbary Lion - Panthera leo leo
The Barbary lion, sometimes referred to as the Atlas lion, is an African lion population that is considered extinct in the wild and is among the biggest lion subspecies. It is believed that the last Barbary lion was shot in the western Maghreb during the year 1942 near Tizi n'Tichka. The Barbary lion was first described by the Austrian zoologist Johann Nepomuk Meyer under the trinomen Felis leo barbaricus on the basis of a type specimen from Barbary. The Barbary lion was long considered one of the biggest lion subspecies. Museum specimens of male Barbary lion were described as having very dark and long-haired manes that extended over the shoulder and to the belly. Head-to-tail length of stuffed males varies from 2.35 to 2.8 m (7 ft 9 in to 9 ft 2 in), and females measure around 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in). A 19th century hunter described a large male allegedly measuring 3.25 m (10.7 ft) including a 75 cm (30 in) long tail. In some historic accounts the weight of wild males was indicated as very heavy and reaching 270 to 300 kilograms (600 to 660 lb). But the accuracy of the measurements may be questionable, and the sample size of captive Barbary lions were too small to conclude they were the biggest lion subspecies.

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Siberian Tiger - Panthera tigris altaica
The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, is a tiger subspecies inhabiting mainly the Sikhote Alin mountain region with a small subpopulation in southwest Primorye province in the Russian Far East. In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Amur tigers in this region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The Siberian tiger is reddish-rusty or rusty-yellow in colour, with narrow black transverse stripes. Measurements taken by scientists of the Siberian Tiger Project in Sikhote-Alin range from 178 to 208 cm (70 to 82 in) in head and body length measured in straight line, with an average of 195 cm (77 in) for males; and for females ranging from 167 to 182 cm (66 to 72 in) with an average of 174 cm (69 in). The average tail measures 99 cm (39 in) in males and 91 cm (36 in) in females. The longest male “Maurice” measured 309 cm (122 in) in total length (tail of 101 cm (40 in)) and had a chest girth of 127 cm (50 in). The longest female “Maria Ivanna” measured 270 cm (110 in) in total length (tail of 88 cm (35 in)) and had a chest girth of 108 cm (43 in). These measurements show that the present Amur tiger is longer than the Bengal tiger and the African lion. According to modern research of wild Siberian tigers in Sikhote-Alin, an average adult male of more than 35 months of age weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb), the average asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); an adult tigress weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb). The mean weight of historical Siberian tigers is supposed to be higher: 215.3 kg (475 lb) for male tigers and 137.5 kg (303 lb) for females. In May 2011, a male called “Banzai” weighing 207 kg (460 lb) was radio-collared. This individual is heavier but smaller in size than a previously radio-collared male. The largest male, with largely assured references, measured 350 cm (140 in) "over curves", equivalent to 330 cm (130 in) between pegs. The tail length in fully grown males is about 1 m (39 in). Weights of up to 318 kg (700 lb) have been recorded and exceptionally large males weighing up to 384 kg (850 lb) are mentioned in the literature but, according to Mazák, none of these cases can be confirmed via reliable sources.

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Batman
Oct 20 2014, 04:52 AM
Barbary Lion vs Siberian Tiger.
Edited by Taipan, Dec 23 2016, 11:03 PM.
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Jan 1 2018, 06:29 PM
I think this would be a pretty close fight, the barbary lion has a very big mane that could protect it to a certain point, the lion might be bigger than other african lion subspecies. The tiger has a stronger bite than lions of its size and has better claws.
My conclusion:55/100 tiger wins.
Actually, the lion has a higher BFQ, so it has a stronger bite at parity.
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^According to the bite force studies, the Tiger has the stronger bite.

As for the match, I generally favor Tigers over Lions due to larger size, can stand on hind legs and box, stronger bite and longer canines. I give this to the Tiger about 6-7 times out of ten.
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Jan 1 2018, 10:12 PM
^According to the bite force studies, the Tiger has the stronger bite.

As for the match, I generally favor Tigers over Lions due to larger size, can stand on hind legs and box, stronger bite and longer canines. I give this to the Tiger about 6-7 times out of ten.
pound for pound they say a lions bite is more powerful than a great white sharks

but wouldnt have longer canines mess up the charting for bite force ? meaning that the canines would give the tiger extra ump to press their teeth into the skull? i dont know about how accurate they are with bite force if they can barely get dogs right .. a german shephard tied with pit bull in a bite pressure contest on tv show
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Jan 1 2018, 11:27 PM
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Jan 1 2018, 10:12 PM
^According to the bite force studies, the Tiger has the stronger bite.

As for the match, I generally favor Tigers over Lions due to larger size, can stand on hind legs and box, stronger bite and longer canines. I give this to the Tiger about 6-7 times out of ten.
pound for pound they say a lions bite is more powerful than a great white sharks
I don't know if that's true and it would be irrelevant anyway, since a Tiger would then have an even further stronger bite.
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Jan 1 2018, 11:27 PM
Ryo
Jan 1 2018, 10:12 PM
^According to the bite force studies, the Tiger has the stronger bite.

As for the match, I generally favor Tigers over Lions due to larger size, can stand on hind legs and box, stronger bite and longer canines. I give this to the Tiger about 6-7 times out of ten.
pound for pound they say a lions bite is more powerful than a great white sharks

but wouldnt have longer canines mess up the charting for bite force ? meaning that the canines would give the tiger extra ump to press their teeth into the skull? i dont know about how accurate they are with bite force if they can barely get dogs right .. a german shephard tied with pit bull in a bite pressure contest on tv show
If you look at the canines, how it is aligned witn the jaw, and the angles in which the jaw bites down, you can clearly see the canines will not lose any leverage whatsoever when biting down. The pressure goes straight through the canine as if the canine is perfectly straight. This isnt lifting something up at the end of a pole dude, this is biting. It would make no difference how long the canines are. Unmeasurable amount.
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Jan 1 2018, 08:54 PM
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Jan 1 2018, 06:29 PM
I think this would be a pretty close fight, the barbary lion has a very big mane that could protect it to a certain point, the lion might be bigger than other african lion subspecies. The tiger has a stronger bite than lions of its size and has better claws.
My conclusion:55/100 tiger wins.
Actually, the lion has a higher BFQ, so it has a stronger bite at parity.
Really, What are your sources? From what i know the tiger’s bfq is higher.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564077/#!po=2.63158
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I would favour the lion over the tiger in this matchup unless the tiger has very good size advantage. At the same weights I favour the lion.
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I would say 50/50 overall but i do favor the Tiger a bit more
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The Barbary lion seems heavier than todays african lions,but thats because of his huge mane.
I dont know how reliable is the information about his weigh,if its true,then it will have significant chance against the Amur.
This sub-species was from the Pleistocene,but for sure it wasnt the largest sub-species of lion.
Repeating myself,if the info is correct than it was closely sized to the smallest of all cave lions-Beringian or East siberian lion.
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The Barbary lion seems heavier than todays african lions,but thats because of his huge mane.

Since when did the mane add a couple dozen kilograms of weight to a Lion?
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Feb 25 2018, 08:35 PM
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The Barbary lion seems heavier than todays african lions,but thats because of his huge mane.

Since when did the mane add a couple dozen kilograms of weight to a Lion?
i said ''seems'' . That means it adds only visible deception.
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Feb 26 2018, 06:02 AM
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Feb 25 2018, 08:35 PM
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The Barbary lion seems heavier than todays african lions,but thats because of his huge mane.

Since when did the mane add a couple dozen kilograms of weight to a Lion?
i said ''seems'' . That means it adds only visible deception.
Oh ok, honestly “looks” is a better word to use but whatever.
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The lion wins, considering its huge mane.
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I really don't understand why this fight should be significantly different from Bengal tiger vs African lion. There is no real difference between these subspecies. The Barbary lion probably was only marginally bigger than their sub-Saharan brethren, and Siberian tigers today aren't bigger than Bengals. In fact, as far as I know, the tiger sub-population with the greatest average weight today is the Nepalese tiger. IMHO there is no need for a specific thread for Barbary lion vs Siberian tiger.
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Yeah it is pretty much just a slightly scaled up version
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