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Dealing with rogue maneaters
Topic Started: Mar 10 2015, 09:41 PM (1,900 Views)
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Just here for a rant about people going to the point of condemning wildlife authorities for taking reasonable steps to protect people.

In Northen Australia crocodiles that have preyed on people are shot. Many people are outraged at the killing of a native creature for being what it is.

People use the waterways as a huge part of their lifestyle in that part of the world. Despite the presence of the dangerous reptiles many people use the water to fish, boat and swim and are fine because the crocs are normally wary of people. But every now and again one will decide to try its luck with preying on a person. Once it's realized that it can take humans it will very likely decide to make a habit of it. By leaving it be you are basically telling everyone using the water that they will just have to put up with the presence of a rouge individual that has added humans to it's prey range.

I have also heard people protesting the elimination of rogue tigers and leopards for the same reasons.

So do you think humans do/don't have a right to kill wild animals for only doing what it takes to survive?
Edited by snap, Mar 11 2015, 09:00 PM.
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There is a growing culture here in the Netherlands, whom are anti-hunting animal lovers. They seem to oppose animal suffering in general, even when it is natural. These people do sympathize with wild animals too much and have a disorted anthropomorphic view of nature.

Of course animals that prey on humans are better to be eliminated.

But when it comes to pet cats... I would welcome any predator that would go rogue on them. They should be kept indoors or not kept at all.

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I harbor no hatred against domestic cats (I own two) But I agree with meso, They're too adaptable and harmful to local wildlife to be let outside.

On to the thread, People might sympathize with wild animals too much where you live but where other people live they're not sympathetic enough. Ex. a kid in my class was talking about how he killed a box turtle with a hockey stick, he said that it was hilarious when it started to cough up blood. In reply the rest of my class thought that it was funny and they began to laugh. It was sickening.
Edited by Inhumanum Rapax, Mar 11 2015, 06:05 AM.
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Mar 11 2015, 02:44 AM
a kid in my class was taking about how he killed a box turtle with a hockey stick, he said that it was hilarious when it started to cough up blood. In reply the rest of my class thought that it was funny and they began to laugh. It was sickening.
Wow, that's pathetic from them.
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a kid in my class was taking about how he killed a box turtle with a hockey stick, he said that it was hilarious when it started to cough up blood. In reply the rest of my class thought that it was funny and they began to laugh. It was sickening.


These people exist too. I've heard of people putting fireworks in a cat's anus.
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Some people are just sick minded freaks.
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Mar 10 2015, 11:05 PM

But when it comes to pet cats... I would welcome any predator that would go rogue on them. They should be kept indoors or not kept at all.

so-you blame the cats for the actions of their owners to the point you don't mind
them getting killed/hurt/injured?

cats didn't domesticate themselves  :-/
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Mar 11 2015, 04:04 AM
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Mar 10 2015, 11:05 PM

But when it comes to pet cats... I would welcome any predator that would go rogue on them. They should be kept indoors or not kept at all.

so-you blame the cats for the actions of their owners to the point you don't mind
them getting killed/hurt/injured?

cats didn't domesticate themselves  :-/
I just don't mind them getting killed, no. There's too many of them around here roaming the countryside. Being domesticated doesn't give them special rights. That aside, yes it is the responsibility of their owners to take care of them.

Actually, the theory is that cats did domesticate themselves by preying on the mice in granaries of the first argicultural socities. That doesn't justify killing, but still I don't mind if they do get killed by say wolves or coyotes.
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Mar 11 2015, 04:04 AM
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Mar 10 2015, 11:05 PM

But when it comes to pet cats... I would welcome any predator that would go rogue on them. They should be kept indoors or not kept at all.

so-you blame the cats for the actions of their owners to the point you don't mind
them getting killed/hurt/injured?

cats didn't domesticate themselves  :-/
I Personally blame the owners (although most theories lead to the conclusion that domestic cats domesticated themselves) However many ferals need predators because without them they destroy local wildlife. I'll be using the local 23 lb feral in my woods called bubba as an example, I live in the woods with a few neighbors. The neighbor who lives just up from my house has a cat who had kittens, she couldn't afford to keep the kittens so she just let them loose, even with the mother cats watchful eye only bubba survived. At three years old we decided to neuter bubba and give him his shots so he couldn't breed and make the problem worse. Bubba is very people friendly (even though nobody gave him food) but also very territorial, Just two months ago I heard a high pitched screaming howl outside my house so I decided to get dressed and see what's going on, when I get out there I find bubba asphyxiating a fox, I tried to stop it but with the time it took to get dressed and scare bubba off the fox was already dead. Does bubba's life mean any more than that foxes? If bubba was just kept inside that fox would likely still be alive, so while I don't like seeing the cats die and I don't blame them they still kill native animals and by extension will be killed by native animals.
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Mar 11 2015, 03:06 AM
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a kid in my class was taking about how he killed a box turtle with a hockey stick, he said that it was hilarious when it started to cough up blood. In reply the rest of my class thought that it was funny and they began to laugh. It was sickening.


These people exist too. I've heard of people putting fireworks in a cat's anus.
These are the childhood traits of a dangerous sociopath.

Its one thing to hope nature takes its course and balances things out, but to take pleasure in torturing and tormenting an animal is sick and sadistic. I grew up with a boy who got his kicks sticking fire crackers in toads mouths and shooting at cats (including mine) with a a BB gun. These types of people are everywhere and a good portion of them can't be reasoned with because, "god put them here for us to do what we want with them, and they don't have souls, " really hate living in the Bible Belt. Call me a Bleeding Heart liberal but I care about the land and the animals in it, just because a book tells someone animals are out play things and this planet in just a stepping stone on your way to eternal paradise doesn't mean you shouldn't cherish and respect whats in front of you right now.
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Mar 11 2015, 04:43 AM
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Mar 11 2015, 04:04 AM
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Mar 10 2015, 11:05 PM

But when it comes to pet cats... I would welcome any predator that would go rogue on them. They should be kept indoors or not kept at all.

so-you blame the cats for the actions of their owners to the point you don't mind
them getting killed/hurt/injured?

cats didn't domesticate themselves  :-/
I just don't mind them getting killed, no. There's too many of them around here roaming the countryside. Being domesticated doesn't give them special rights. That aside, yes it is the responsibility of their owners to take care of them.

Actually, the theory is that cats did domesticate themselves by preying on the mice in granaries of the first argicultural socities. That doesn't justify killing, but still I don't mind if they do get killed by say wolves or coyotes.
Humans are just to adaptable for there own good.....far to many of them. ....they are wanton killers.......I don't mind if the get killed......
So your moaning because people want to protect endangered animals.....tigers and crocs are endangered.....big deal if they eat the odd stupid human......there are far to many of us anyway.... Humans think they are immune to being eaten.....well if you go skinny dipping in a river....you might lose a leg.....deal with it....


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Mar 11 2015, 06:24 AM
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Mar 11 2015, 04:04 AM
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Mar 10 2015, 11:05 PM

But when it comes to pet cats... I would welcome any predator that would go rogue on them. They should be kept indoors or not kept at all.

so-you blame the cats for the actions of their owners to the point you don't mind
them getting killed/hurt/injured?

cats didn't domesticate themselves  :-/
I Personally blame the owners (although most theories lead to the conclusion that domestic cats domesticated themselves) However many ferals need predators because without them they destroy local wildlife. I'll be using the local 23 lb feral in my woods called bubba as an example, I live in the woods with a few neighbors. The neighbor who lives just up from my house has a cat who had kittens, she couldn't afford to keep the kittens so she just let them loose, even with the mother cats watchful eye only bubba survived. At three years old we decided to neuter bubba and give him his shots so he couldn't breed and make the problem worse. Bubba is very people friendly (even though nobody gave him food) but also very territorial, Just two months ago I heard a high pitched screaming howl outside my house so I decided to get dressed and see what's going on, when I get out there I find bubba asphyxiating a fox, I tried to stop it but with the time it took to get dressed and scare bubba off the fox was already dead. Does bubba's life mean any more than that foxes? If bubba was just kept inside that fox would likely still be alive, so while I don't like seeing the cats die and I don't blame them they still kill native animals and by extension will be killed by native animals.
Instead of blaming the cats for the destruction on the earth!!
We should be praising them for being able to survive and grow on the swear worded up world humans are creating. ...

So ridiculous blaming an animal.....compared to what humans do....cats impact is hardly anything. ...
Edited by FelinePowah, Mar 11 2015, 05:59 PM.
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I don't blame animals at all for anything because its their nature, they do what they do. However, I do believe that an animal should be killed if it kills someone, as it can do it again in the future. Any animal can attack at any time, but once is enough and it could very much do it twice.
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Only maneaters should be killed, an animal can kill for self defence, killing them is unnecessary and unsustainable.
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Yes me dont blalme animal people smart and need how to do good job for eco
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Mar 11 2015, 06:24 AM
However many ferals need predators because without them they destroy local wildlife.
Only in non-native areas though, in native areas (parts of Afro-Eurasia), they are simply native species, and depend on where they are, may or may not have predators.
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