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Possible Oviraptorid with a killing claw?; Possible Oviraptorid with a killing claw?
Topic Started: Jun 18 2015, 01:47 PM (1,455 Views)
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I recently picked up a rather nicely researched Dinosaur encyclopedia, as it's sometimes nice to look up information when your Internet is down. Inside the book, I came upon a section about the oviraptorid Nomingia. In it, the writer added a short sentence at the end, which stated that "Nomingia may have had a killing claw on the second digit". I find this funny because no foot material has EVER been recovered for Nomingia. Is this even within the realm of possibility? Or is this just daft nonsense? I for one, think it's an interesting idea :D
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It seems like a very unnecessary predatory adaptation for such a generalist and it'd hinder mobility, so I'd think that it's very probable that they devolved the enlarged claw.
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My thoughts exactly. Rereading on Nomingia, it seems like it's thought to be a very primitive oviraptorid, so perhaps they thought it mightve been a link between the maniraptorans and the later oviraptorids. If we had skull material it would maybe shed some light on it, but I agree, as what is known of the body seems very similar to the rest of the typical oviraptors.
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Reminds me of the Abelisaur (Noasaurus, I think it was?) that was claimed to have a killer-claw and was seen as a parallel to the Dromeosaurs, but it was later found to be a Baryonyx-like thumbhook.

Anyways, I agree with others, a killer-claw would be a rather odd feature of a generalist omnivore. Unless the Oviraptorids are an early off-branch of Dromeosaurs, and this particular species is very close to that divergence.
Edited by DinosaurFan95, Jun 21 2015, 10:29 PM.
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Jun 21 2015, 10:25 PM
Reminds me of the Abelisaur (Noasaurus, I think it was?) that was claimed to have a killer-claw and was seen as a parallel to the Dromeosaurs, but it was later found to be a Baryonyx-like thumbhook.

Anyways, I agree with others, a killer-claw would be a rather odd feature of a generalist omnivore. Unless the Oviraptorids are an early off-branch of Dromeosaurs, and this particular species is very close to that divergence.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what is thought, although there's a lot of dispute on Nomingias exact location in the family tree. I'm still not sure where this book came up with the sickle claw idea at, as I've found NO reference to it in any material about Nomingia. Anyway, I just found it to be an interesting idea, despite having no evidence for its existence. lol
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I've read some pretty crazy stuff in dinobooks.
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Jun 23 2015, 05:39 AM
I've read some pretty crazy stuff in dinobooks.
Tru Dat ;) I found it really strange too, as the rest of the book is VERY nicely researched.
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Who was the book by?
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I'll leave a link to its amazon page here
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Oh, I've read a version of that book.

The author does a lot of speculative evolution stuff.

Look up "the new dinosaurs" "after man" and "man after man".
Edited by DinosaurFan95, Jun 24 2015, 10:22 AM.
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O_o OK then, that answers my question...... I've never seen so much speculation before
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Some of his ideas are pretty far out there.
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Yeah...... Wow.. That's all I can say. His ideas aren't even within the logical realms of possibility, at least for what I can imagine :P
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He should stick to speculative evolution and leave dinosaur encyclopedias to others.
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so his are not accurate?
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