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Chimpanzee fighting ability
Topic Started: Nov 6 2015, 01:35 PM (3,938 Views)
Shin
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Spartan
Nov 7 2015, 06:55 AM
Stop acting as if you knew how this leopard died, nobody knows it.
well stop trying to shovel BS-like
chimps killing leopards...odds are the
chimps had absolutely nothing to do with
its death....in the study involving chimps
& leopard interactions, not a single leopard
was proven to have sustained any injury in any
encounter with any chimp....
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Ceph
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To gage an animals fighting ability based on conspecific conflict is fallacy. Many animals have specific ways that they approach fighting others of their species (ie. bovids and varanids).There is a reason chimpanzees engage each other the way they do. It has been studied by animal behaviorist and psychologist.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FBBS%2FBBS29_03%2FS0140525X06009058a.pdf&code=d8cabd4628e02f6b4786ecfec8f757c2#page=
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10539-008-9120-3#/page

"The question is whether the intentionality
that is evident in these and other examples, or that
chimpanzees are capable of social manipulation (Byrne &
Whiten 1988), amounts to a theory of mind (ToM) that
enables these demonic males to not only formulate an
intention to inflict pain, but to do so because that pain
would cause the victim to suffer."
http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Bandura/Bandura2006BBS-2.pdf

Chimpanzees engaging in prolonged torture during intraspecies conflict and proceeding intraspecies killing may be interpreted as an inherit lust for cruelty and the enjoyment of suffering, not only for the perpetrators but the spectators as well..
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Chimpanzees engaging in prolonged torture during intraspecies conflict and proceeding intraspecies killing may be interpreted as an inherit lust for cruelty and the enjoyment of suffering, not only for the perpetrators but the spectators as well..


Three of the videos I posted that demonstrated 1 on 1 chimps fights usually devolved into furious slap fights. I'm sorry but that is not an effective way of killing or torturing another animal.
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Their teeth look pretty terrible, couldn't they just bite the throat of a similar sized animal? Also, does anyone know if they have the ability to strangle effectively?
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Ursus arctos provided interesting information, but for leopard vs chimpanzee we already have a thread and most agree that at similar weights the chimpanzee loses, but so would a human, a hyena, a wolf, a cheetah, a cougar, a crocodile... are those animals bad fighters too?
Also captive chimpanzees screaming and slapping each other periodically isnt their usual behavior, and of course they dont try to kill each other.
Edited by Wombatman, Nov 7 2015, 08:10 AM.
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Wombatman
Nov 7 2015, 08:10 AM
Ursus arctos provided interesting information, but for leopard vs chimpanzee we already have a thread and most agree that at similar weights the chimpanzee loses, but so would a human, a hyena, a wolf, a cheetah, a cougar, a crocodile... are those animals bad fighters too?
Also captive chimpanzees screaming and slapping each other periodically isnt their usual behavior, and of course they dont try to kill each other.
When was it decided that a leopard beats a cougar at parity? I think the consensus there is that it would vary by individual.
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It always depends a bit on the individual, but since leopard has a bigger head and usually worse mood.. anyway you can forget about the cougar part if you want
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Well while we are objecting, I'm not sure that crocodiles in general fit your example wombatman, but I do agree 100% with your premise.
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Their teeth look pretty terrible, couldn't they just bite the throat of a similar sized animal? Also, does anyone know if they have the ability to strangle effectively?


Vita once posted a study that showed that while chimpanzees are capable of choking other animals they appeared not to have learned to do so.
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Tyrant
Nov 7 2015, 07:56 AM
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Chimpanzees engaging in prolonged torture during intraspecies conflict and proceeding intraspecies killing may be interpreted as an inherit lust for cruelty and the enjoyment of suffering, not only for the perpetrators but the spectators as well..


Three of the videos I posted that demonstrated 1 on 1 chimps fights usually devolved into furious slap fights. I'm sorry but that is not an effective way of killing or torturing another animal.


Do you think you'd defeat an equally weighted chimp? They are stronger than you, got a nastier bite, and seem to dominate humans in encounters.

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I am sure there are plenty of people who "think" that they can take a chimp at parity, this is all to sate the Ego though. Even if they don't believe that they can beat a chimp they will try to convince you that their favorite kung fu cage fighter body builder can, again human Ego.
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I'm pretty sure a chimp could kick my ass lol
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Ceratodromeus
Nov 8 2015, 04:30 PM
I'm pretty sure a chimp could kick my ass lol


My ass too!

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I wouldn't want to try either, but for the hundredth time: chimps aren't really stronger than humans.
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In some ways they are. I mean, the whole "Mike Tyson/400 pound wrestler/freaking huge bodybuilder vs 50 kg chimpanzee" is stupid and not fair.
But a chimp like a lot of animals is stronger than a man AT PARITY. Their muscles can output more explosive strength at the cost of lower stamina (humans can have chit stamina too) also the skeletal and muscular structure of other big apes is very different to that of humans, more efficient at pure strength, so even silverbacks can climb trees easily. They also have an incredible gripping strength and their jaw muscles are stronger and attach upper in the skull. All these are advantages in a fight. Human skill and hand hability are too
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