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Tilikum, the SeaWorld orca who killed his trainer, has died
Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:18 AM (2,614 Views)
Mammuthus
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Hi guys, its me, and i know that majority of you probably hate me for all that sh*t I said and I'll admit (now) it was a bit stupid of me, I was up way too late, I was tired and i kinda lost it a bit and I'am sorry.

Iguess instead of saying i hated all Humans, I could of just said i hate SOME Humans (Poachers, etc).

Sorry  :-/

Anyway, may the beautiful animal rest in peice.
Edited by Mammuthus, Jan 7 2017, 05:39 PM.
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Mammuthus
Jan 7 2017, 05:35 PM
Hi guys, its me, and i know that majority of you probably hate me for all that sh*t I said and I'll admit (now) it was a bit stupid of me, I was up way too late, I was tired and i kinda lost it a bit and I'am sorry.

Iguess instead of saying i hated all Humans, I could of just said i hate SOME Humans (Poachers, etc).

Sorry  :-/

Anyway, may the beautiful animal rest in peice.
Bloody hell m8, nobody "hates" you on here. Your, dare I say angered by the death of a Animal you admire, and becaues of the sadness, you posted something that happens to be stupid. It happens, no one is going to hold it against you or hold it over your head. Anyone who constantly uses this to ridicule you, after it is done with, is simply not worth the time of replying to them. Cheer up a bit.
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Jan 7 2017, 11:03 AM
Most likely. Sounds like that story of the captive grizzly bear that was used for movies, he accidentally killedhis handler because he simply played to rough with him. That's a tragedy and I don't really blame the animal for it; but now whenever an animal kills someone out of predatory behavior or at least a "temper tantrum", that animal is dangerous and should be put down, it can't learn that it could get away with that sort of behaviour.
In my opinion animals cannot really be blamed for attacking a person. It's basically people's responsibility to be careful. Of course I am not the guy of the kind "the animal did it for revenge" and "he had it coming, stay away from them".

Unknowingly to most people, Tilikum was involved in a fourth attack during his first year in captivity, when he was still in Iceland. He didn't do anything serious. It can be assumed that his bad history is due to him having resided at Sealand. Keto is dominant by nature.
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Jan 7 2017, 06:00 PM
Mammuthus
Jan 7 2017, 05:35 PM
Hi guys, its me, and i know that majority of you probably hate me for all that sh*t I said and I'll admit (now) it was a bit stupid of me, I was up way too late, I was tired and i kinda lost it a bit and I'am sorry.

Iguess instead of saying i hated all Humans, I could of just said i hate SOME Humans (Poachers, etc).

Sorry  :-/

Anyway, may the beautiful animal rest in peice.
Bloody hell m8, nobody "hates" you on here. Your, dare I say angered by the death of a Animal you admire, and becaues of the sadness, you posted something that happens to be stupid. It happens, no one is going to hold it against you or hold it over your head. Anyone who constantly uses this to ridicule you, after it is done with, is simply not worth the time of replying to them. Cheer up a bit.
Em....ok, you seem rather angry but I understand you're post.

Thanks :)
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@Thalassophoneus: An animal is an animal, regardless of what kind it is, if it attacks people unprovoked (truly unprovoked so that's probably different circumstances for each species), or in an act of predation, it needs to be put down. Why? Because although they don't have a sense of morality like people, they ARE capable of learning, and if one gets away with it, they won't hesitate to do it again. To not euthanize them is to put other people in danger later on. Take Frodo the chimpanzee for example: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0304/feature4/online_extra2.html
He attacked a man (Gary Larson of all people) and the next year Jane Goodall herself, nearly breaking her neck, and then to top it off about ten years later he snatched a 14 month old baby girl from her family, ran off with her, killed her and partially ate her. And yet they decided not to kill him, because he was "just exhibiting the normal aggressive behavior they do against other infant primates". Well I tell you what, if it had been a dog, cat, crocodile, shark, python, bull or any other animal, it would've been put down in a heartbeat. Because ANY animal that lives around people (as this population of chimps did) and kills can and will develop the will to do it again if it wants. And if any one animal is smart enough to think "I can get away with this" it's a chimpanzee. Problem is the smarter it is, the more we sympathize with it, yet the more likely it will actually try to get away with attacking someone a second time. In short if an animal attacks and especially if it kills someone, completely unprovoked or in a predatory manner, for the safety of everyone near, the most responsible thing to do is to kill it. You don't wait till it's killed fifty railway workers and gets acatchy nickname, you do it immediately after the first tragedy so it can never happen again. People's lives and safety comes first.
Edited by Wyvax, Jan 7 2017, 09:43 PM.
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That's exactly why in such cases, like the case with the chimpanzee you mention, contact with the animal in question must be reduced. According to the video I posted in the beginning Tilikum actually never did waterworks with the trainers due to the incident with Keltie Byrne. Now that they stopped waterworks it is probably even better, both for the safety of the trainers that activists pretend to care about and forSeaWorld's transformation into a more educational and conservational institution. Euthanasizing an animal for attacking a person kinda sounds like an act of vengeance. In any case attacking is an unpredictable behavior animals can show at any time, so the problem is with predicting it.

There are other killer whales there who are really predictable. Corky, the so called by activists "saddest Orca", is the biggest and strongest captive female Orca, but she has never done anything bad to anyone.
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Mammuthus
Jan 7 2017, 09:20 AM
I'am actually fuking quiting this forum, SETA is telling me to comit suicide and I actually want to help and make a difference and help fight global warming and Animal poaching rather than discuss who win in a fight to the death between 2 Animals.
Hey seta makes me want to quit and kill myself too because he immediately "likes" any and every post that argues against me, literally within seconds of it being posted, and even when I'm clearly right, so passive aggressive. Lol.

For the record. ..
I don't think it's natural to care about ALL people above ALL animals BTW, I consider that biblical brainwashing. Care about your own people- your family, maybe friends, but all people? They're just rivals, competition. It's natural to actually hope they get squashed by an orca.
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Jan 7 2017, 11:01 PM
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Jan 7 2017, 09:20 AM
I'am actually fuking quiting this forum, SETA is telling me to comit suicide and I actually want to help and make a difference and help fight global warming and Animal poaching rather than discuss who win in a fight to the death between 2 Animals.
Hey seta makes me want to quit and kill myself too because he immediately "likes" any and every post that argues against me, literally within seconds of it being posted, and even when I'm clearly right, so passive aggressive. Lol.

For the record. ..
I don't think it's natural to care about ALL people above ALL animals BTW, I consider that biblical brainwashing. Care about your own people- your family, maybe friends, but all people? They're just rivals, competition. It's natural to actually hope they get squashed by an orca.
I recommend reading my post after that :)
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I did, I'm saying not so fast, you may have had a legitimate point.
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Jan 7 2017, 11:01 PM
Mammuthus
Jan 7 2017, 09:20 AM
I'am actually fuking quiting this forum, SETA is telling me to comit suicide and I actually want to help and make a difference and help fight global warming and Animal poaching rather than discuss who win in a fight to the death between 2 Animals.
Hey seta makes me want to quit and kill myself too because he immediately "likes" any and every post that argues against me, literally within seconds of it being posted, and even when I'm clearly right, so passive aggressive. Lol.

For the record. ..
I don't think it's natural to care about ALL people above ALL animals BTW, I consider that biblical brainwashing. Care about your own people- your family, maybe friends, but all people? They're just rivals, competition. It's natural to actually hope they get squashed by an orca.
Uhhh... no. It is natural for an animal to be friendlier towards creatures of its species. Interspecific competition is harder than intraspecific competition.
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Grazier
Jan 7 2017, 11:01 PM
I don't think it's natural to care about ALL people above ALL animals BTW, I consider that biblical brainwashing. Care about your own people- your family, maybe friends, but all people? They're just rivals, competition. It's natural to actually hope they get squashed by an orca.
What? Are you some form of social Darwinist ("they're our competitors")?
Who cares whether something is natural or not? Is nature holy? Does it decide what is right and wrong?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

P.S. R.I.P.
Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Jan 8 2017, 12:05 AM.
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Appeal to nature can be heard very often in such debates.
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Yup, the article I've linked noted that:
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Some people use the phrase "naturalistic fallacy" or "appeal to nature" to characterize inferences of the form "Something is natural; therefore, it is morally acceptable" or "This property is unnatural; therefore, this property is undesireable." Such inferences are common in discussions of homosexuality, environmentalism, and veganism.
Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Jan 8 2017, 02:47 AM.
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Yup, the article I've linked noted that:
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Some people use the phrase "naturalistic fallacy" or "appeal to nature" to characterize inferences of the form "Something is natural; therefore, it is morally acceptable" or "This property is unnatural; therefore, this property is undesireable." Such inferences are common in discussions of homosexuality, environmentalism, and veganism.
I assume that the classic statement "it is supposed to..." also falls in this category.
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Jan 7 2017, 11:46 PM
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Jan 7 2017, 11:01 PM
Mammuthus
Jan 7 2017, 09:20 AM
I'am actually fuking quiting this forum, SETA is telling me to comit suicide and I actually want to help and make a difference and help fight global warming and Animal poaching rather than discuss who win in a fight to the death between 2 Animals.
Hey seta makes me want to quit and kill myself too because he immediately "likes" any and every post that argues against me, literally within seconds of it being posted, and even when I'm clearly right, so passive aggressive. Lol.

For the record. ..
I don't think it's natural to care about ALL people above ALL animals BTW, I consider that biblical brainwashing. Care about your own people- your family, maybe friends, but all people? They're just rivals, competition. It's natural to actually hope they get squashed by an orca.
Uhhh... no. It is natural for an animal to be friendlier towards creatures of its species. Interspecific competition is harder than intraspecific competition.
I can think of about a thousand species that ONLY kill members of their own species and nothing else. I can't think of any species, except humans, and only idealistically, that is preferentially friendly to their entire species.

And yes for the record I think what is natural is holy, closest thing we have.
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