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humans... not so weak?
Topic Started: Feb 23 2017, 06:07 AM (1,807 Views)
LeopardNimr
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humans have a nasty bite
we can hold grapple punch and kick
we are clever and quite aggresive
yet we are so weak...
what animals a human can kill bare handed?
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In our own right, we're impressive, probably could manhandle an animal 30 pounds lighter or more, its due to our urban lives that we became so weak its easy for animals our size or bigger to overpower us.
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DinosaurMichael
Feb 23 2017, 06:14 AM
In our own right, we're impressive, probably could manhandle an animal 30 pounds lighter or more, its due to our urban lives that we became so weak its easy for animals our size or bigger to overpower us.
we won't beat a 30 pound lighter cougar or leopard...
maybe a deer...
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LeopardNimr
Feb 23 2017, 06:15 AM
DinosaurMichael
Feb 23 2017, 06:14 AM
In our own right, we're impressive, probably could manhandle an animal 30 pounds lighter or more, its due to our urban lives that we became so weak its easy for animals our size or bigger to overpower us.
we won't beat a 30 pound lighter cougar or leopard...
maybe a deer...
Probably should've been a little more clear on that, my bad.
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We have a nasty bite? Since when? Our jaw musculature is built for efficiency not power.
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Our bite is nothing, however our fighting ability is extremely high, connected to our intelligence. A man can potentially be very dangerous for all sorts of animals, and they have proven it with cases of people killing leopards and etc with their bare hands. Even bulls with their bare hands. There is a lot of variation in humans and many are quite pampered domesticated tame lumps of soft flesh which will be easy pickings for even animals much smaller than them, however there is another end to that spectrum.

Just logistically you can imagine a man has the potential to wrap himself up on the back of an animal and stay out of harms way while strangling it to death. Punching and kicking is great for other humans perhaps but is fairly useless against animals which don't have a big vulnerable brain and are also quicker, but wrestling/jiu jitsu is potentially very effective and IMO humans are definitely the most deadly primate on earth even bare handed.

My "fanboy" animals, dogs, are not favoured by me over humans, I think a good man can unfortunately kill any dog, so that should tell you how highly I rate them.
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This doesn't really answer the question but I thought it was an interesting article with some relevance.
The Fatal Fang: did stress-induced Xerostomia evolve as a
strategic offensive/ defensive weapon in hominid combat?


Sunkavally Satyendra and Lalitha Pappu
1Department of Mechanical Engineering, V.R. Siddhartha Engineering College, Vijayawada, A.P, India
2Department of Microbiology and Food Science and Technology, Institute of Science, GITAM University,
Rushikonda, Visakhapatnam-530045, .P. India.
*Corresponding author Email -pappulalitha@gmail.com

The lack of the traditional natural weapons of combat-horn, claw,
extended canine, talon, venom etc. has forced the human species
to develop a rather novel and unorthodox biological weapon,
namely stress-induced xerostomia, or a reduction in salivary
flow into the oropharyngial cavity, during those times of
psychological stress that are the usual prelude to combat. Since
one of the immunologic functions of the saliva is to keep down
the number of micro-organisms in the oral cavity, this reduction
of salivation immediately results in a marked increase in the
bacterial population of the mouth. Since bites are frequently
inflicted in combat between humans, this would result in the
inoculation of a substantial bolus of pathogenic micro-organism
into the bite wound of the opponent, the subsequent setting up of
an infective nidus at the bite site, and thus either in
fever/sickness or a severe festering wound necessitating, not
infrequently, in a need for frank amputation of the affected digit.
In any event the combat ability of the opponent will be
substantially reduced as a result. It is therefore likely that there
has been a substantial Darwinian selection for this peculiar
physiologic trait of a desiccation of the mouth during times of
inter-personal stress, when the likelihood of there being a
physical conflict between humans rises substantially.

Satyendra, Sunkavally, and Lalitha Pappu. "The Fatal Fang: did stress-induced Xerostomia evolve as a strategic offensive/defensive weapon in hominid combat?." Int. J. of Life Sciences 3.3 (2015): 191-199.
http://files.cluster2.hostgator.co.in/hostgator84521/file/1.sunkavallyandlalitha2015.pdf
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That's odd...it might be just me, but I want to see this in action to see if it actually works and shtuff.
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Simply google human bite wounds, it's pretty graphic and not for the squeamish.
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Ceph
Feb 23 2017, 12:30 PM
This doesn't really answer the question but I thought it was an interesting article with some relevance.
The Fatal Fang: did stress-induced Xerostomia evolve as a
strategic offensive/ defensive weapon in hominid combat?


Sunkavally Satyendra and Lalitha Pappu
1Department of Mechanical Engineering, V.R. Siddhartha Engineering College, Vijayawada, A.P, India
2Department of Microbiology and Food Science and Technology, Institute of Science, GITAM University,
Rushikonda, Visakhapatnam-530045, .P. India.
*Corresponding author Email -pappulalitha@gmail.com

The lack of the traditional natural weapons of combat-horn, claw,
extended canine, talon, venom etc. has forced the human species
to develop a rather novel and unorthodox biological weapon,
namely stress-induced xerostomia, or a reduction in salivary
flow into the oropharyngial cavity, during those times of
psychological stress that are the usual prelude to combat. Since
one of the immunologic functions of the saliva is to keep down
the number of micro-organisms in the oral cavity, this reduction
of salivation immediately results in a marked increase in the
bacterial population of the mouth. Since bites are frequently
inflicted in combat between humans, this would result in the
inoculation of a substantial bolus of pathogenic micro-organism
into the bite wound of the opponent, the subsequent setting up of
an infective nidus at the bite site, and thus either in
fever/sickness or a severe festering wound necessitating, not
infrequently, in a need for frank amputation of the affected digit.
In any event the combat ability of the opponent will be
substantially reduced as a result. It is therefore likely that there
has been a substantial Darwinian selection for this peculiar
physiologic trait of a desiccation of the mouth during times of
inter-personal stress, when the likelihood of there being a
physical conflict between humans rises substantially.

Satyendra, Sunkavally, and Lalitha Pappu. "The Fatal Fang: did stress-induced Xerostomia evolve as a strategic offensive/defensive weapon in hominid combat?." Int. J. of Life Sciences 3.3 (2015): 191-199.
http://files.cluster2.hostgator.co.in/hostgator84521/file/1.sunkavallyandlalitha2015.pdf
I had always heard of people claiming that human mouths, with all the bacteria in them, could be quite nasty if they were used to bite something. Interesting that there's actually a publication on the matter.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 23 2017, 03:42 PM.
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I googled human bite wounds. That's awesome! I didn't know we had such an amazing adaptation! This makes it even more worthwhile to be human!

So that's why our parents tell us to brush our teeth. They know we can cause serious injury with them. Never knew our bite force was actually high enough to properly penetrate the skin and cause significant bleeding.
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Wow, I'm impressed. And here I thought humans weren't able to do much about fighting and stuff. Apparently, there are other studies, too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2776367/
NCBI has a lot of articles on this stuff, too.
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Additionally we can kick, punch, throw and strangle much more effectively than any other primate.
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i've said before my dad was able to win (not kill)
a GS
while he worked in georgia
he told me that kangals alabai caucasian ovcharka and etc
will win over any human
but the smaller breads like pit bulls GS
can be formidable
but if a human act like a baboon it should be able to win
i do belive it
we have a nasty hurting bite
to say that people like the rock or hulk hogan will win
is bullsh*t of an idea
to win we need to act wild and fight wild...
overall we think too much
there was a human bait agianst an old bull dog
the man won by biting and swinging his hands like a wild animal...
we can cause damamge...
Edited by LeopardNimr, Feb 24 2017, 05:21 AM.
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While I don't disagree, I don't totally agree either. See, that very intelligence is very handy when we know how some dogs fight.
And while we, as humans, certainly can do damage, the typical human nowadays usually cannot fathom doing too much damage to anything. At least, in my experience.
In response to Spartan, I'm aware that we can do those things much more easily than our primate relatives, but it is my general understanding that despite being lesser in these areas, the great apes especially make up for it in their general strength and relative combat cababilities. Is this the case?
Edited by zergthe, Feb 24 2017, 05:49 AM.
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