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| potential successor species to humanity; Who'd fill in our niche? | |
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| K9 Bite | Mar 9 2018, 01:28 AM Post #31 |
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That is true...what would your criteria be for a intelligent animal to reach the same awareness as a human? |
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| Ryo | Mar 9 2018, 02:36 AM Post #32 |
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Does it count if humans make them human intelligent or that we make a computer that makes them human intelligent? |
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| K9 Bite | Mar 9 2018, 02:52 AM Post #33 |
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If that were the case, then nearly any animal would have the potential to reach the advancements that humams are enjoying right now. Isn't this thread more based on the natural evolution route? As of suddenly humans were gone from the planet and which species would most likely take our niches. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Mar 9 2018, 08:05 AM Post #34 |
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The Turing test (assuming we can teach the animal to speak which would in and of itself already be an indicator of intelligence)? |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Mar 9 2018, 09:39 AM Post #35 |
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@Jinfengopteryx: All life forms are intelligent. But they are intelligent for their own, not for us, humans, to measure them.
Edited by Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu, Mar 9 2018, 09:40 AM.
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| K9 Bite | Mar 9 2018, 12:40 PM Post #36 |
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I totally agree with you there. But isnt this thread about a potential species evolving to take the place of humans? |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Mar 10 2018, 04:45 AM Post #37 |
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Even those who have no consciousness? If you understand intelligence that way, it becomes a useless term, describing nothing. |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Mar 10 2018, 06:40 AM Post #38 |
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@Jinfengopteryx: I give you an example. If some fish species is able to live in waters where no other vertebrates can live, then it is more adaptable, and maybe more intelligent, than other vertebrates. 'Intelligent' is just a word, I do not see how it could describe the animal life. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Mar 10 2018, 10:02 PM Post #39 |
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If this ability is innate, it is not "adaptable" in the "problem solving" sense in which intelligence is frequently defined. If I presented this fish with a challenge it has never encountered before, how well would it be able to cope with it? |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Mar 10 2018, 10:40 PM Post #40 |
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For me 'intelligent' and 'adaptable' are synonyms when I think about non-human living forms. Just imagine how difficult is for a fish to live in deep sea or in dark water caves. How could a mammal or a bird survive and breed in such extreme places? Well, the 'stupid' fish is able to live there! |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Mar 10 2018, 11:40 PM Post #41 |
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But is it able to survive there because it actually learned to do so or was it simply born to live there? @Ryo I think an uplifted animal could definitely count. Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Mar 10 2018, 11:43 PM.
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Mar 10 2018, 11:52 PM Post #42 |
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A fish also learned how to leave the water and to turn into an amphibian tetrapode. Another fish learned how to remain a fish. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Mar 11 2018, 01:00 AM Post #43 |
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It did not "learn" this. It occurred via the blind process of evolution. What you are describing is a variation of Lamarckian evolution. |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Mar 11 2018, 02:13 AM Post #44 |
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Then I would say to let 'the blind process of evolution' to decide the 'potential successor species to humanity'.
Edited by Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu, Mar 11 2018, 02:14 AM.
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| Jinfengopteryx | Mar 11 2018, 08:24 AM Post #45 |
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??? This thread is not to "decide" the successor species to humanity. It is to make educated guesses about the best candidate. Moreover, you completely changed the topic. I said that innate abilities cannot measure intelligence because intelligence is about problem-solving, but if you are already adapted to an environment by birth, there is no problem to be solved. |
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