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| Leopard defeats gorilla in face to face fight!; Evidence that a leopard CAN kill a gorilla face to face | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 4 2017, 05:07 PM (2,926 Views) | |
| Jake Simmonds | Dec 4 2017, 05:07 PM Post #1 |
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Alright guys I have found evidence to back a leopard over a gorilla. In 1949 there was a fight between a 185lb panther and a 315lb gorilla, the gorilla got its arm torn off and barely put up a fight. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18123333 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/63066994 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22766914 even has a picture of it http://historicimages.com/1949-press-photo-the-one-eyed-black-panther-after-a-fight-with-a-gorilla considering it was reported in newspapers which all say the same thing it seems pretty real to me. If this is posted in the wrong forum its because I dont have "permission" to post it in the one with animal battles Edited by Jake Simmonds, Dec 4 2017, 05:09 PM.
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| Ferreomus | Dec 4 2017, 05:20 PM Post #2 |
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Then I'm inclined to favour the leopard |
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| Jake Simmonds | Dec 4 2017, 05:47 PM Post #3 |
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Absolutely! Perfect evidence here guys, much better than all that other stuff which gets posted. |
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| Ferreomus | Dec 4 2017, 05:56 PM Post #4 |
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315lb is definetly a Male |
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| zergthe | Dec 5 2017, 12:17 AM Post #5 |
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I find it suspicious that “the gorilla didn’t put up much of a fight” and the news stories are literally word-for-word the same We have also zero background knowledge on the fitness and heatlth of either animal, and background in general. |
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| Mammuthus | Dec 5 2017, 01:40 AM Post #6 |
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Yeah, but a 315lbs Gorilla would be a smaller Male since they tend to be larger than that. Edited by Mammuthus, Dec 5 2017, 01:41 AM.
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| Taipan | Dec 5 2017, 06:59 AM Post #7 |
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Whilst I think a Leopard has a fair chance against a Gorilla, what happens in captivity should be taken with some caution. A Zoological Journal reported a Fishing Cat killed a Leopard twice its size for example: "The reference to fishing cats killing leopards originates from a 1929 reference (Finn 1929). Finn reports on a captive fishing cat breaking through a dividing wall into the next cage containing a tame, young female leopard, twice the size of the fishing cat, and killing it." https://www.pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Prionailurus_viverrinus_VPCendorsed_270410.pdf |
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| Kazanshin | Dec 5 2017, 08:46 AM Post #8 |
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Good old zoo incidents. I still remember the tiger getting killed by the pitbull. |
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| TheROC | Dec 5 2017, 10:07 AM Post #9 |
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while I do favor a leopard over a gorilla, can you really say the gorilla put up no fight if it lasted 2 hours like the article said? |
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| Vivyx | Dec 5 2017, 10:38 AM Post #10 |
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These old accounts of captive fights shouldn't be used as a representative for what would happen in a realistic scenario of a fight to the death. Lions and tigers have been recorded killing polar bears in circuses and zoos, a sloth bear killed a polar bear on one occasion, Grazier mentioned something before of a domesticated male African lion not being able to do anything against four working bulldogs, bears and lions had apparently knocked down bulls with mere pawswipes, cougars have killed bears, and a fishing cat killed a leopardess. Does that mean this would all actually happen realistically? I could go on really. I'm not trying to doubt that a leopard could indeed kill a male gorilla, but these accounts aren't trustworthy or relevant enough to count as evidence for anything. The Quincy Morning Whig Saturday, January 15, 1898 Page: 5 Edited by Vivyx, Dec 5 2017, 10:40 AM.
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| Jake Simmonds | Dec 5 2017, 01:08 PM Post #11 |
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The reason i said the gorilla didnt put up a fight is because one article on it somewhere said the gorilla would just run around the cage and try to wrestle it but fail to do any damage. I dont know why it being in a zoo means its not legitimate, the fight lasted ages and it was face to face. It was probably an inexperienced cat since it was in captivity. And I dont see how it could be fake either, the links I posted had multiple newspapers at the same time reporting the same incident, the last one even has a picture of the cat. So unless someones made multiple fake newspapers, photographed them and stuck them on some site I cant see why it would be fake. The newspapers which report them are all legitimate papers from that time. I mean I just cant see why being in a zoo would make any difference. Edited by Jake Simmonds, Dec 5 2017, 01:27 PM.
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| Grazier | Dec 5 2017, 01:10 PM Post #12 |
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Perfect evidence? This is actually inadmissible evidence in accordance with forum rules is it not? Anyway, the fact the gorilla "barely put up a fight", even more so than the fact it was an organised captive fight, to me makes it irrelevant. Any wild animal can become a pampered soft naive pet with no concept of violence, just like a soft nancy boy human could freak out and panic and curl up into a ball and lose to a mean raccoon, the same can happen to any animal. You might say " well the leopard was captive too" but no, it doesnt work that way, some captive animals can still be rough and mean and violent. It depends on a lot of factors. The two lions who famously were pitted against bulldogs by George Wombwell in 1825, and the vast contrast in their respective performances, illustrates the point perfectly. |
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| 221Extra | Dec 5 2017, 01:17 PM Post #13 |
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Deny, deny, deny.
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A 'huge' gorilla getting his arm ripped off by a leopard that's a good deal smaller than him also seems unlikely to me. |
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| Jake Simmonds | Dec 5 2017, 01:29 PM Post #14 |
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Well the fight lasted for 2 hours so it was probably mauling at it for along time. Apes are suppose to have thin skin. it wasnt an organised fight. Edited by Jake Simmonds, Dec 5 2017, 04:31 PM.
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| Wombatman | Dec 7 2017, 03:52 AM Post #15 |
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Thin skin... have you ever seen a gorilla? Those arms arent getting out of their sockets with a leopard bite. That would require an incredible ammount of force, or an extremely sharp blade. Wildebeests and young zebras sometimes stomp leopards to the ground in a fight, but a gorilla of the same size gets his arm torn off? Im getting flashbacks from the polar bear-murdering wolverine... |
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