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Leopard defeats gorilla in face to face fight!; Evidence that a leopard CAN kill a gorilla face to face
Topic Started: Dec 4 2017, 05:07 PM (2,438 Views)
Jake Simmonds
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Alright guys I have found evidence to back a leopard over a gorilla.

In 1949 there was a fight between a 185lb panther and a 315lb gorilla, the gorilla got its arm torn off and barely put up a fight.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18123333

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/63066994

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22766914

even has a picture of it

http://historicimages.com/1949-press-photo-the-one-eyed-black-panther-after-a-fight-with-a-gorilla

considering it was reported in newspapers which all say the same thing it seems pretty real to me.
If this is posted in the wrong forum its because I dont have "permission" to post it in the one with animal battles
Edited by Jake Simmonds, Dec 4 2017, 05:09 PM.
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Ferreomus
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Then I'm inclined to favour the leopard
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Jake Simmonds
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Absolutely! Perfect evidence here guys, much better than all that other stuff which gets posted.
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Jake Simmonds
Dec 4 2017, 05:47 PM
Absolutely! Perfect evidence here guys, much better than all that other stuff which gets posted.
315lb is definetly a Male
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I find it suspicious that “the gorilla didn’t put up much of a fight” and the news stories are literally word-for-word the same

We have also zero background knowledge on the fitness and heatlth of either animal, and background in general.
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Ferreomus
Dec 4 2017, 05:56 PM
Jake Simmonds
Dec 4 2017, 05:47 PM
Absolutely! Perfect evidence here guys, much better than all that other stuff which gets posted.
315lb is definetly a Male
Yeah, but a 315lbs Gorilla would be a smaller Male since they tend to be larger than that.
Edited by Mammuthus, Dec 5 2017, 01:41 AM.
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Whilst I think a Leopard has a fair chance against a Gorilla, what happens in captivity should be taken with some caution. A Zoological Journal reported a Fishing Cat killed a Leopard twice its size for example:

"The reference to fishing cats killing leopards originates from a 1929 reference (Finn 1929). Finn reports on a
captive fishing cat breaking through a dividing wall into the next cage containing a tame, young female
leopard, twice the size of the fishing cat, and killing it."
https://www.pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Prionailurus_viverrinus_VPCendorsed_270410.pdf

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Good old zoo incidents. I still remember the tiger getting killed by the pitbull.
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while I do favor a leopard over a gorilla, can you really say the gorilla put up no fight if it lasted 2 hours like the article said?
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These old accounts of captive fights shouldn't be used as a representative for what would happen in a realistic scenario of a fight to the death. Lions and tigers have been recorded killing polar bears in circuses and zoos, a sloth bear killed a polar bear on one occasion, Grazier mentioned something before of a domesticated male African lion not being able to do anything against four working bulldogs, bears and lions had apparently knocked down bulls with mere pawswipes, cougars have killed bears, and a fishing cat killed a leopardess. Does that mean this would all actually happen realistically? I could go on really. I'm not trying to doubt that a leopard could indeed kill a male gorilla, but these accounts aren't trustworthy or relevant enough to count as evidence for anything.

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Jake Simmonds
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The reason i said the gorilla didnt put up a fight is because one article on it somewhere said the gorilla would just run around the cage and try to wrestle it but fail to do any damage.

I dont know why it being in a zoo means its not legitimate, the fight lasted ages and it was face to face. It was probably an inexperienced cat since it was in captivity.

And I dont see how it could be fake either, the links I posted had multiple newspapers at the same time reporting the same incident, the last one even has a picture of the cat. So unless someones made multiple fake newspapers, photographed them and stuck them on some site I cant see why it would be fake.

The newspapers which report them are all legitimate papers from that time.
I mean I just cant see why being in a zoo would make any difference.
Edited by Jake Simmonds, Dec 5 2017, 01:27 PM.
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Perfect evidence? This is actually inadmissible evidence in accordance with forum rules is it not?

Anyway, the fact the gorilla "barely put up a fight", even more so than the fact it was an organised captive fight, to me makes it irrelevant. Any wild animal can become a pampered soft naive pet with no concept of violence, just like a soft nancy boy human could freak out and panic and curl up into a ball and lose to a mean raccoon, the same can happen to any animal.

You might say " well the leopard was captive too" but no, it doesnt work that way, some captive animals can still be rough and mean and violent. It depends on a lot of factors. The two lions who famously were pitted against bulldogs by George Wombwell in 1825, and the vast contrast in their respective performances, illustrates the point perfectly.
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TheROC
Dec 5 2017, 10:07 AM
while I do favor a leopard over a gorilla, can you really say the gorilla put up no fight if it lasted 2 hours like the article said?
A 'huge' gorilla getting his arm ripped off by a leopard that's a good deal smaller than him also seems unlikely to me.
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Jake Simmonds
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Well the fight lasted for 2 hours so it was probably mauling at it for along time.

Apes are suppose to have thin skin.
it wasnt an organised fight.
Edited by Jake Simmonds, Dec 5 2017, 04:31 PM.
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Thin skin... have you ever seen a gorilla? Those arms arent getting out of their sockets with a leopard bite. That would require an incredible ammount of force, or an extremely sharp blade. Wildebeests and young zebras sometimes stomp leopards to the ground in a fight, but a gorilla of the same size gets his arm torn off?
Im getting flashbacks from the polar bear-murdering wolverine...
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