Lycaon

Dec 28 2017, 06:42 AM

k9boy

Dec 28 2017, 05:54 AM

The statement was vague, so I inquired about it and he says the commonly seen male wolf in question was never seen again after being hurt in the fight. I don't know about you, but I would trust his judgement, given how experienced he is with these two species in particular, and how accomplished he is. He never stated it was fact, anyway.

He gives his point of view, and provides evidence. I don't know where you are seeing this hidden agenda. And i'd say its more embarrassing for you, claiming a well known researchers blog is a set up by a teenage lynx enthusiast.

And again, its his own personal blog. He can express his opinions how he pleases.

My old professor studied raccoons and while he holds vast amount of information on the specie's lifestyles in the urban and natural environments, he isn't at all someone you could rely on in a terrier vs raccoon debate. And on a similar note my friend finished her years of schooling and become a vet, yet many dog specialists like her are under the belief that it is unhealthy for dogs to be fed raw. People can be experts in particular areas in their field of study, doesn't mean they know everything pertaining to that subject.

And likewise we have this man who studies lynx who believes that a four second tussle with a wolf created enough injury for the wolf to die. He reached his conclusion because he never saw the wolf again.

Warsaw2014

Dec 29 2017, 06:59 AM

Yes offcourse

"The wolf initially had control of the fight; the cougar was on its back"

Darling, have you any idea of how large (and medium-size) felines fight? Being on the back to them is a bit like being in a boxing stance for a boxer or grappling for a jiu-jitsuka. It has nothing to do with being dominated unless they assume that stance DEFENSIVELY AGAINST a BIGGER or more dominant FELINE. "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXL_ALCRUcU

"but anyway, if you have a disagreement of opinion with Mr Sidorovich, then contact him to try any clear anything up. "

Yes I have different opinions about the photo.
Once again .On the photo you see that the lynx is working with the wolf belly?
And yes
"Moreover, we got convinced that an adult lynx – especially a big male – can win a fight from any lone wolf"
This sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Warsaw2014

Dec 29 2017, 03:15 AM

"^ Yeah, Coyote(s) (singular or group) have been rarely recorded killing female bobcats. Thanks Warsaw. "
No problem .here's the most interesting part:


We must take into account the fact that "adult male wolf can be at least twice as large as"especially a big male lynx "

k9boy

Dec 29 2017, 05:38 AM

This really isn't hard to gather. 'working with the belly' i would guess that means raking and clawing it.

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i too would initially find it hard to believe wolf died because of a brief fight with a lynx, but if that is the opinionated guess of someone who studies these animals in close proximity (even knowing the individuals that fought) I have no reason to doubt him.

lynx4caracal

Dec 29 2017, 11:56 AM

Warsaw2014

Dec 29 2017, 06:59 AM

Yes offcourse

"The wolf initially had control of the fight; the cougar was on its back"

Darling, have you any idea of how large (and medium-size) felines fight? Being on the back to them is a bit like being in a boxing stance for a boxer or grappling for a jiu-jitsuka. It has nothing to do with being dominated unless they assume that stance DEFENSIVELY AGAINST a BIGGER or more dominant FELINE. "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXL_ALCRUcU

"but anyway, if you have a disagreement of opinion with Mr Sidorovich, then contact him to try any clear anything up. "

Yes I have different opinions about the photo.
Once again .On the photo you see that the lynx is working with the wolf belly?
And yes
"Moreover, we got convinced that an adult lynx – especially a big male – can win a fight from any lone wolf"
This sounds like wishful thinking to me.

look this video
lynx fight with wolf,wolf serious injury?
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI3MDcwNjg0OA==.html?spm=a2h3j.8428770.3416059.1&qq-pf-to=pcqq.group

Taipan

Dec 29 2017, 04:12 PM

Warsaw2014

Dec 29 2017, 03:15 AM

"^ Yeah, Coyote(s) (singular or group) have been rarely recorded killing female bobcats. Thanks Warsaw. "
No problem .here's the most interesting part:


We must take into account the fact that "adult male wolf can be at least twice as large as"especially a big male lynx "

Whats so interesting about that. All you've done is establish that Coyotes in groups or singular have rarely been recorded killing female Bobcats. Have you actually got anything interesting or relevant to this thread, because what you posted has been known for years.

Warsaw2014

Dec 29 2017, 08:38 PM

Ok fine.
Introduction to Population Ecology Larry L. Rockwood:
"...In 1992–1993, of nine radio-collared lynx, all had died by April. One lynx was found healthy and well-fed, but had been killed by a wolf. A female lynx was killed by another lynx! One young male starved. A male and female pair was migrating into the mountains when a wolverine killed the female. The male was killed by either a wolf or a wolverine based on evidence from blood and tracks in the snow.The investigators actually witnessed a lynx being killed by a coyote.Other scientists have also reported witnessing lynx being killed by other lynx or by wolverines. All of this does not happen when hare are abundant..."

SOURCE

Warsaw2014

Dec 30 2017, 12:21 AM

Taipan wrote"Now you are on another completely different species from Lynx lynx and Lynx rufus. What relevance has Lynx canadensis got to any of this?"

Ryo wrote"I would like to compare this to Coyote and Bobcat interractions, except it would be much more of a mismatch if Lynx kill even pregnant Wolves."

"The bobcat resembles other species of the Lynx genus, but is on average the smallest of the four"

Ok Lynx rufus (bobcat) is smaller than Lynx canadensis.
The bobcat is like a small lynx (at roughly half the size of the Eurasian lynx,) and coyote is like a small wolf (at roughly half the size of the wolf) right?

And adult male wolf can be at least twice as large as"especially a big male lynx " right?

Taipan

Apr 10 2014, 09:03 PM

Always enjoyed this descrption of the differences of male Bobcats and female Bobcats as almost "different species".


Source : Bobcat : Master of Survival

Taipan

Dec 30 2017, 11:35 PM

Warsaw2014

Dec 30 2017, 12:21 AM

Taipan wrote"Now you are on another completely different species from Lynx lynx and Lynx rufus. What relevance has Lynx canadensis got to any of this?"

Ryo wrote"I would like to compare this to Coyote and Bobcat interractions, except it would be much more of a mismatch if Lynx kill even pregnant Wolves."

"The bobcat resembles other species of the Lynx genus, but is on average the smallest of the four"

Ok Lynx rufus (bobcat) is smaller than Lynx canadensis.
The bobcat is like a small lynx (at roughly half the size of the Eurasian lynx,) and coyote is like a small wolf (at roughly half the size of the wolf) right?

And adult male wolf can be at least twice as large as"especially a big male lynx " right?

Your first mistake was to to establish, that female bobcats are very rarely ever predated by coyotes. Your next mistake was to equate the highly specialised Canadian Lynx, with the far more accomplished and generalised Bobcat. But your biggest mistate was to equate female Bobcats and male Bobcats. They may be as described by researchers, different species:

Taipan

Apr 10 2014, 09:03 PM

Always enjoyed this descrption of the differences of male Bobcats and female Bobcats as almost "different species".


Source : Bobcat : Master of Survival

Male Bobcats can inhabit areas that groups of Coyotes do, whilst female Bobcats avoid such areas.

Quote:

 

I would like to precise something for you. Indeed, all plenty of roe deer I found to be killed by lynxes were bitten in their neck. Right. The same method lynxes used to kill wolf pups of 2-11 months old i have found. However, while fighting with an adult wolf, lynx seems to be unable biting in the wolf neck enough to kill it. Wolf is too strong in its forehand body part. Therefore, the two pregnant female wolves had essential wounds in bellies. The same trying to wound the wolf belly I see on the fighting photo. Quite often lynxes killed dogs wounding in belly, but also in neck.
Also, in my dataset there were registered not one lynx, but by several different lynxes - killers of wolves, killers of weakened wolves let's say i.e. pups of the year, heavily pregnant females, but sometimes a normal wolf (the single case i learnt).
We have really big lynxes in Belarus. Look at the recent photos the really big wolves for Belarus and a normal adult male lynx plus one nice recent nice lynx photo.
You may use this in the forum.
Best, Vadim