k9boy

Jan 1 2018, 02:41 AM

once again, you have posted heaps of random data and made it impossible to convey your actual point.

what does lynx feeding on deer have to do with anything.

Quote:

 

In all the female wolves the neck was bitten a lot and the belly of the females was open for 5-15cm. It seems to be the lynxes applied both bite and claw scratching methods.

k9boy

Jan 1 2018, 04:02 AM

I think the researchers in Belarus can distinguish the difference between a clawing wound that was dealt whilst the fight was occurring, and an opening in the already dead body made by a feeding lynx. Lynx do not open up carcasses using their claws, and anyway the pregnant wolves weren't even eaten so this is clutching at straws and a silly argument.

regarding the lynx and wolf fight, you already know what Mr Sidorovich thinks happened, if you disagree that is up to you. But don't deny the actual evidence presented:

Quote:

 

In all the female wolves the neck was bitten a lot and the belly of the females was open for 5-15cm. It seems to be the lynxes applied both bite and claw scratching methods.

k9boy

Jan 1 2018, 09:51 AM

Provided by Mr Sidorovich


the wolf 7 minutes after the fight. injuries on neck and right side. also shows its mangy

k9boy

Jan 1 2018, 09:51 AM

Provided by Mr Sidorovich


the wolf 7 minutes after the fight. injuries on neck and right side. also shows its mangy

Ryo

Jan 1 2018, 11:28 AM

I don't think we should be surprised of not being able to see the injuries on the Wolf. Quite a few times on this forum, people have posted pics of short furred Dogs like Kangals where we couldn't see the wounds on them, but when zoomed in and when we saw them get medical aid, the wounds appeared suprisingly nasty when you first saw them. A Wolf usually got longer fur so I wouldn't be surprised that we can't see the injuries made by the small Lynx jaws and claws. If it made any.

But I understand the skeptism for this, I have my wondering on this. Tho neat info none the less.

k9boy

Jan 1 2018, 12:09 PM

well whatever anyone thinks of it that is the information that was given with the picture. And this was the last time this male wolf was ever seen, so make what you will of that.

Warsaw2014

Dec 31 2017, 03:21 AM

Taipan

Dec 30 2017, 11:35 PM

Warsaw2014

Dec 30 2017, 12:21 AM

Taipan wrote"Now you are on another completely different species from Lynx lynx and Lynx rufus. What relevance has Lynx canadensis got to any of this?"

Ryo wrote"I would like to compare this to Coyote and Bobcat interractions, except it would be much more of a mismatch if Lynx kill even pregnant Wolves."

"The bobcat resembles other species of the Lynx genus, but is on average the smallest of the four"

Ok Lynx rufus (bobcat) is smaller than Lynx canadensis.
The bobcat is like a small lynx (at roughly half the size of the Eurasian lynx,) and coyote is like a small wolf (at roughly half the size of the wolf) right?

And adult male wolf can be at least twice as large as"especially a big male lynx " right?

Your first mistake was to to establish, that female bobcats are very rarely ever predated by coyotes. Your next mistake was to equate the highly specialised Canadian Lynx, with the far more accomplished and generalised Bobcat. But your biggest mistate was to equate female Bobcats and male Bobcats. They may be as described by researchers, different species:

Taipan

Apr 10 2014, 09:03 PM

Always enjoyed this descrption of the differences of male Bobcats and female Bobcats as almost "different species".


Source : Bobcat : Master of Survival

Male Bobcats can inhabit areas that groups of Coyotes do, whilst female Bobcats avoid such areas.

Your first mistake was to to establish, that female bobcats are very rarely ever predated by coyotes.
Your next mistake was to equate the highly specialised Canadian Lynx, with the far more accomplished and generalised Bobcat. But your biggest mistate was to equate female Bobcats and male Bobcats. They may be as described by researchers, different species:


"Your first mistake was to to establish, that female bobcats are very rarely ever predated by coyote"
I thing yoy are missing my point.
I,m suprised that female bobcat was killed by coyote (single or group) because these two species are relatively close in weight. (coyotes tend to be sligtly larger than bobcats").Now I see that even adult male was killed by coyote.

Warsaw2014

Dec 31 2017, 03:21 AM

Taipan wrote: post #6
"welve radio-tagged gray foxes were found dead in
2 years of study; seven were killed by coyotes and two
by bobcats (V. Farias, T.K. Fuller, J.M. Fedriani, R.B.
Wayne, R.M. Sauvajot, unpublished work). All sexes
and ages of gray foxes suffered carnivore predation. Of a total of five radio-tagged bobcats deaths, two (male and female, both adult) were due to coyote predation. "
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9396136/1/

Warsaw2014

Dec 31 2017, 03:21 AM

"Your next mistake was to equate the highly specialised Canadian Lynx, with the far more accomplished and generalised Bobcat."

No.I'm talking about body size "Ok Lynx rufus (bobcat) is smaller than Lynx canadensis."
For example Lynx canadensis from Newfounland can be pretty comparable to Euroasian lynx .

EDITThis probably is a mistake kg=lbs 38 kg =38 lbs 18 kg =18 lbs

As far I know "highly specialist Canadian Lynx can occasionally take Dall's sheep and caribou"
"In summer and at low hare densities in the north, other
common prey species such as red squirrels, grouse, and voles are eaten frequently, and lynx predation
on ungulates (Dall’s sheep, caribou) and other carnivores (red fox, marten, mink, other lynx) has
been recorded."

Taipan

Jan 10 2012, 04:14 PM

Behaviors of Bobcats Preying on White-tailed Deer in the Everglades
Ronald F. Labisky and Margaret C. Boulay

Department of Wildlife Ecology and Conservation, University of Florida, Gainesville 32611

Predatory behaviors of bobcats (Lynx rufus) that preyed on 39 radio-instrumented white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginanus) in the Everglades during a 3-yr study, 1 April 1989–31 March 1992, are described and compared with those of other felids. Bobcats killed 33 fawns and six adults by administering one bite to the neck and throat region. The maximum prey:predator weight ratio was 8:1. Twelve (31%) of 39 kills were dragged 2–10 m to concealment cover before being eaten. Twelve (71%) of 17 carcasses that were not dragged from the kill site exhibited a characteristic death form in that the head on each was twisted backwards (throat dorsal) and positioned diagonally under the shoulder. Feeding was initiated on large muscle masses, predominantly on the hindquarters. Bobcats eviscerated 29 (83%) of 35 carcasses, severed one fore- or hind-limbs from 18 (55%) of 33 kills, and plucked hair from 13 (33%) of 39 carcasses. Bobcats partially or completely covered 17 (52%) of 33 carcasses with plant litter. Thus, bobcats preying on deer in the Everglades displayed notable differences in eviscerating, feeding, and covering behaviors.

Warsaw2014

Dec 31 2017, 03:21 AM

"But your biggest mistate was to equate female Bobcats and male Bobcats. They may be as described by researchers, different species"

C'mon man .I'm not suprised that adult male bobcats are typically larger and have more muscular body and in consequence more "brave".You sound surprised by that.I'm surprised that you're surprised by this.

"Male Bobcats can inhabit areas that groups of Coyotes do, whilst female Bobcats avoid such areas."
Yes It would be crazy if female weren't instinctively far more risk-averse than male bobcat.Right?

221Extra

Dec 29 2017, 06:50 PM

I dont think anybody is doubting his expertise, but this wouldn't be the 1st time at field researcher has said something that was ultimately wrong or heavily exaggerated. I think back to Beggs (?) account involving a leopardess failing to kill a honey badger (the badger's scalp was ripped off IIRC), they stated the leopardess was 'severely mauled' with 'deep wounds', yet said leopardess proceeded to kill a civet shortly after.