Lynxes killing wolves in Belarus

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Lynxes killing wolves in Belarus
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Lycaon	Apr 29 2018, 04:04 AM Post #106
Omnivore Posts: 1,226 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: Jan 14, 2012	Sever claw wounds on the side of this wolf... If anything the claws picked out fur like a rake comb would on a dog.



Ryo	Apr 29 2018, 04:26 AM Post #107
Omnivore Posts: 1,329 Group: Members Member #4,595 Joined: Aug 6, 2017	But even minor injuries can lead to injuries, that is the usual saying about wild animals. You have seen the pictures of Kangals with short fur having no visible marks of wounds from Wolves, but when you get closer to the doctors looking at it, you suddenly see the puncture wounds. The Wolf who already ahd mange, could easily have gotten a nasty scratch that went disease and infections into. It would not be surprising if we cannot see it. The odd fur just shows where it happened. If the Wolf didn't die to long term infections and mange, then I don't know what happened to it and why it would leave its mate. I don't understand why people appear against this idea, since it did not actually kill the Wolf in combat, it just gave it a long term infection and disease.



Warsaw2014	Apr 29 2018, 04:28 AM Post #108
Herbivore Posts: 963 Group: Members Member #2,919 Joined: Nov 5, 2014	Lightning Apr 29 2018, 03:05 AM Warsaw2014 Apr 29 2018, 03:00 AM I dont see any weird patch on the second photo. Well, I can see it. Ryo could see it. I'm assuming K9 boy could see it too (thus, he suggested there were was wound on the right side). I'm pretty sure Vadim saw it, thus saying the wolf is wounded... If you can't see it, then... I don't know what to say. Let's put this discussion to rest here. Enjoy your day. Ryo Apr 28 2018, 10:45 AM I noticed that too, hence my bad haircut comment. The Wolf never returned, so I won't be surprised if that place where the fur is different is where he got some nasty claw and/or biting injuries from the Lynx. Indeed. It's quite clear. OK This "weird patch" of unknow ethiology without any blood around is wisible on wolf belly?Rather not. Vadim clearly state that "We can not see wounds on belly, but the lynx was evidently attacking the wolf belly and from those the wolf could die." Finally I found wolf (or wolf dog hybrid) with gigantic weird patch. FROM Mr Sidorevich blog https://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/wolves-trapped-to-death/denali-wolf-rescued-from-snare-embedded-in-its-neck/ On the white fur blood is rather visible . http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2014/mar/05/dog-survived-wolf-attack-mauled-cougar/ http://www.angelfire.com/or/tashasplayhouse/cougar.html



k9boy	Apr 29 2018, 04:42 AM Post #109
Apex Predator Posts: 4,236 Group: Members Member #254 Joined: Mar 26, 2012	Lightning Apr 29 2018, 03:05 AM I'm assuming K9 boy could see it too (thus, he suggested there were was wound on the right side).eed. It's quite clear. I simply conveyed what I was told by Mr Sidorovich. I myself can't see visible wounds.



Warsaw2014	Apr 29 2018, 05:10 AM Post #110
Herbivore Posts: 963 Group: Members Member #2,919 Joined: Nov 5, 2014	"five minutes after the fight the clearly wounded wolf was photographed one more last time." Well The fact that single wolf was photographed one more last time." By single or some camera traps mean nothing An experiment with GPS collars continues in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. There is a second season of observations. Special devices make it possible to determine precisely the movements of predators. The curators of the project put the collars on four wolves first. Then one more wolf was added. The data is updated every day. Scientists have already been able to get a lot of valuable information. Wolf Mikhas, perhaps, is the hero of this winter. The predator with a collar has run almost 400 kilometers in just a few weeks. An unprecedented case. The wolf from Belovezhskaya Pushcha went to Ukraine, then to Poland. It is called Traveler for that. The wolf opened the most ecological way from one protected area to another. http://en.ctv.by/en/1516200078-wolf-gps-collar-experiment-in-belarus How far can wolves travel? Wolves are hunters, and they travel far and wide to locate prey. They may travel 50 miles or more each day in search of food, and they are superbly designed for a life on the move. Because their elbows turn inward, their lean bodies are precisely balanced over their large feet. With their long legs and ground-eating stride, they can travel tirelessly for hours on end with no energy wasted. Dispersing wolves, those leaving packs in search of their own mates, have been known to travel hundreds of miles away from their home territory. Satellite and Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) collars allow researchers to document the truly remarkable travels of wolves. http://www.wolf.org/wolf-info/basic-wolf-info/wolf-faqs/#x I think that the wolf can be still alive.



Lightning	Apr 29 2018, 05:18 AM Post #111
Omnivore Posts: 1,134 Group: Members Member #4,834 Joined: Mar 2, 2018	Warsaw2014 Apr 29 2018, 04:28 AM There is no blood in either photo. But the fur is clearly different in the 2 photos. But if it had mange, then even a minor, invisible scratch mark could lead to infection and death. I don't know for sure what happened to that wolf(obviously). Sidorovich said it plausibly died from wounds received from the lynx and that is not unreasonable if you know that it had mange and, thus, even a small scratch could lead to infection. Again, if it were to run away, it could have but strange how it run away soon after the fight with the lynx and not before. Warsaw2014 Apr 29 2018, 05:10 AM I think that the wolf can be still alive. Maybe or maybe not Edited by Lightning, Apr 29 2018, 05:19 AM.



Warsaw2014	Apr 29 2018, 05:54 AM Post #112
Herbivore Posts: 963 Group: Members Member #2,919 Joined: Nov 5, 2014	Lightning Apr 29 2018, 05:18 AM Warsaw2014 Apr 29 2018, 04:28 AM There is no blood in either photo. But the fur is clearly different in the 2 photos. But if it had mange, then even a minor, invisible scratch mark could lead to infection and death. I don't know for sure what happened to that wolf(obviously). Sidorovich said it plausibly died from wounds received from the lynx and that is not unreasonable if you know that it had mange and, thus, even a small scratch could lead to infection. Again, if it were to run away, it could have but strange how it run away soon after the fight with the lynx and not before. Warsaw2014 Apr 29 2018, 05:10 AM I think that the wolf can be still alive. Maybe or maybe not But the fur is clearly different in the 2 photos Im not sure here. There is another time of day other, lightening and different angle of view. It all matters I don't know for sure what happened to that wolf(obviously). Sidorovich said it plausibly died from wounds received from the lynx and that is not unreasonable if you know that it had mange and, thus, even a small scratch could lead to infection. Sidorevich also said that the wolf is "not small" and the wolf is "clearly wounded" and "that an adult lynx, especially a big male can win a fight from any lone wolf" "Again, if it were to run away, it could have but strange how it run away soon after the fight with the lynx and not before." The wolf run far away soon after stressful situation (fight with the lynx).Really I don't see nothing unusual here. Edited by Warsaw2014, Apr 30 2018, 03:31 PM.



Black Ice	May 25 2018, 11:32 PM Post #113
Drom King Posts: 14,216 Group: Members Member #422 Joined: Jul 4, 2012	Just want to toss this in here to start some controversy about the credibility of the claim Lynx have never been killed by wolves. Saw this thread via Taipan's linking. Quote: They tend to be less common where wolves are abundant, and wolves have been reported to attack and even eat lynx. In Russian forests, the most important predators of the Eurasian lynx are the grey wolf. Wolves kill and eat lynxes that fail to escape into trees. Lynx populations decrease when wolves appear in a region and are likely to take smaller prey where wolves are active. Sunquist, Mel; Sunquist, Fiona (2002). Wild cats of the World. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. pp. 164–176 Heptner, V.G. and Sludskii, A.A. (1992). Mammals of the Soviet Union. Vol. II Part 2 Carnivora: Hyenas and Cats. New Delhi: Amerind Publishing Co pp. 625. Quote: Wolves may also reduce Eurasian lynx populations. Wolves may kill lynxes by running them down, or killing them before they can escape into trees. Similar reports of encounters between wolves and bobcats have been documented. Also, for a "Big Male Lynx" to be anywhere near a "not so small wolf" size the latter would have to be around 70lbs or so. Roughly the size of an AWD or a German Shepherd. That's pretty much a pup that likely was inexperienced. Regardless the thought the wolf died later cause of its injuries from a Lynx of all things is poorly supported. Unless they found the body I wouldn't be surprised if that wolf was killed hunting or any other possible way. Never thought Lynx were pushovers though myself tbh. Edited by Black Ice, May 25 2018, 11:40 PM.



Ryo	May 26 2018, 02:13 AM Post #114
Omnivore Posts: 1,329 Group: Members Member #4,595 Joined: Aug 6, 2017	Well, Wolves can have packs of the age of 2 in some cases, so it could have been a young and inexperienced Wolf, who on top of all of this had mange. Wasn't it noted that the Lynx was old and about average size? 25kg?



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