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| Sloth bear wins a fight with a FULL grown Tiger in India!; AMAZING video! | |
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| Wombatman | Mar 4 2018, 07:48 PM Post #16 |
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That bear will barely live another day, for what it looks like. But we have to give it merits for fending off the biggest and strongest cat species there is. Especially since it was a female bear with a serious weight disadvantage. Her mother instincts pushed her further away than her limits. It also looks like the tiger underestimated the bear, I have seen tigers fighting with way more viciousness. |
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| Grazier | Mar 4 2018, 08:14 PM Post #17 |
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Well over a decade... Before that I wrote about it on paper. |
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| tigerburningbright | Mar 4 2018, 10:39 PM Post #18 |
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In the wild if you are fighting for your life you are much more motivated than the one trying to just prey on you...Even through the Tiger pretty much dominated the fight with ease....The Bear had everything to loose and thus fought back that much harder at the very end once it finally got away from the Tigers grip....Tiger had much less to loose so just bounced out to look for easier prey... Its kind of hard to find like comparison the other way around since Bears almost never attack Felines with the attempt to kill them or their Cubs....But I imagine a Smaller Feline like a Cougar (if in a once in a million scenario was being attacked by a larger Brown Bear in a predatory attack and couldn't escape) could easily produce a similar result.... All (Wild) animal conflict is based on circumstance and variables....Not Pre-set "Math equations" like many people believe... For example a 500lb Male Grizzly will steal kills from a Wolf Pack with not much trouble....But that same Wolf Pack will chase away a 500lb Male Grizzly with ease that is intruding on a Wolf Den and threatening Wolf Pups So which is really "Dominant" over the other??? The (rather vague and un-sexy) answer....Is that is entirely depends on the circumstance.... Dog beats Polar Bear in fight.... LMFAO OMG DOG PWNS POLAR BEAR IMAGINE WHAT A DIRE WOLF WOULD DO Jackal Pwns a Sloth Bear!!! Edited by tigerburningbright, Mar 4 2018, 11:04 PM.
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| k9boy | Mar 5 2018, 12:02 AM Post #19 |
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On closer inspection, I dont even think the tiger was hunting the bear. On the facebook video (from the reserve) it says the tiger was cooling himself off in the water, when the bears happen to stumble upon him. You can also see in the video below how casually he strolls up to them, not stalking or charging. The attack is actually initiaded by the protective mother bear, and you can see straight away the tiger backs up from the angry bear and attempts to flee, but the bear attacks its rear. https://www.facebook.com/thebambooforestsafarilodge/videos/2338760886150205/ |
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| Warsaw2014 | Mar 5 2018, 12:28 AM Post #20 |
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Ok sloth bear is glossary overrated here.this is poor female sloth bear, small and weak compared to" year-old Matkasur, a dominant male," http://www.timesnownews.com/the-buzz/article/tadoba-andhari-tiger-reserve-tiger-project-sloth-bear-tiger-fight-viral-video-maharashtra-chandrapur-nagpur-bamboo-forest-safari-lodge/204061 Even through the Tiger pretty much dominated the fight with ease....The Bear had everything to loose and thus fought back that much harder at the very end once it finally got away from the Tigers grip....Tiger had much less to loose so just bounced out to look for easier prey. Ok "the Tiger pretty much dominated the fight " because bear was small and poor. BUT suprisingly after 15 minutes" the bear manages to struggle free and begins to chase the male tiger away" AND "Finally T54 [the tiger] comes back to the waterhole totally exhausted and tired.” The video shows the pair bury their teeth into each other’s flesh during the brutal clash near the body of water. The mother bear goes still when the adult tiger pins her to the ground and sinks his fangs into her neck. Finally he gives up and the sloth bear disappears,” the video says. “T54 [the tiger] comes back to the waterhole totally exhausted and tired.” Kumar told NDTV the tiger is a seven-year-old called Matkasur, who had marked the water as his territory. https://theworldnews.net/gb-news/video-shows-extraordinary-fight-between-tiger-and-sloth-bear-trying-to-protect-her-cub So you imagine that small cougar female can chase (after 15 minutes) off a dominant male grizzly off And finally the bear must be totally exhausted and tired.? All (Wild) animal conflict is based on circumstance and variables....Not Pre-set "Math equations" like many people believe... I completely agree with what you said. Yes All (Wild) animal conflict is based on circumstance and variables. For example a 500lb Male Grizzly will steal kills from a Wolf Pack with not much trouble....But that same Wolf Pack will chase away a 500lb Male Grizzly with ease that is intruding on a Wolf Den and threatening Wolf Pups So your compare chasing ability to 15 minute close fight? "Dog beats Polar Bear in fight....LMFAO OMG DOG PWNS POLAR BEAR IMAGINE WHAT A DIRE WOLF WOULD DO"" Once again. I don't get the logic behind this.SO POLAR BEAR after some soconds is totally exhausted and tired.? "But I imagine a Smaller Feline like a Cougar (if in a once in a million scenario was being attacked by a larger Brown Bear in a predatory attack and couldn't escape) could easily produce a similar result...." After 15 minutes?I do not think so There is a scarcity of water in the national park in western India - and it can be particularly difficult for animals to get a drink in the high temperatures as many tigers dominate the water holes. Akshay Kumar, chief naturalist of Bamboo Forest Safari Lodge at Tadoba National Park, who caught the clash on camera, believes she only fought the wild cat because of her maternal instincts. He told the NDTV: "The tiger was cooling itself off in the water when it saw the sloth bear heading to the water body with her cub in search of water. “It went after the sloth bear, but she kept charging to protect her cub. "The fight carried on for 15 minutes. The tiger was roaring, it was a severe fight." The video shows the pair bury their teeth into each other’s flesh during the brutal clash near the body of water. The mother bear goes still when the adult tiger pins her to the ground and sinks his fangs into her neck. But despite suffering serious injuries, the bear manages to struggle free and begins to chase the male tiger away. https://theworldnews.net/gb-news/video-shows-extraordinary-fight-between-tiger-and-sloth-bear-trying-to-protect-her-cub BT W Sloth Bears have really poor eye sight and can see little further than 10 metres, thats why sloth bear heading to the water body with her cub in search of water. Edited by Warsaw2014, Mar 5 2018, 12:37 AM.
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| Ryo | Mar 5 2018, 02:14 AM Post #21 |
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Warsaw, while I don't really agree with the Tigerburning fellar above usually, he had some good points there. He did not use these as claims, just as an example of "small dog chases Bear or Crocodile, imagine what a Dire Wolf would do" or cat doing the same with Black Bears and Alligators. In short, he is simply stating that the animal fighting for its life is going to give its all while the other has much more power and free will over the situation to leave when it wants to. |
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| Cat | Mar 5 2018, 02:25 AM Post #22 |
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Warsaw, the bear WON. It was an interesting confrontation, and the bear showed an impressive resilience and determination and repelled its adversary. Is there the need to write a treaty to make the bear victory sound even more crushing, speculating on every word and every nuance in order to prove in every possible way that bears are superior to cats and disputing every word that another poster may utter in support of a felid? Jeez, you have been here for years, you cannot possibly be a teenager. Ok, so, maybe bears are superior to felids, even at parity or at inferior weights. Or maybe not. Would it make you miss any sleep if, by chance, somebody proved that cats are superior? In the end, unless you take 100 bears and 100 big cats matched in weight and other conditions and make them fight there is no way to be sure. A fight between two individual animals, as Tigeburninbright pointed out, is influenced by so many variables and circumstances, and the reports of the observers may also be influenced by individual impressions and emotions, that it's difficult to reach firm conclusions. They are living things, not machines. Of course, we can speculate, this is what we are doing here, and I think it's fun and it's interesting to do that. But not when somebody goes to any possible length, disputing and speculating and turning around on every word somebody may write, in order to show the superiority of the animal they like. |
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| Grazier | Mar 5 2018, 03:36 AM Post #23 |
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What's weird is people acting like the bear not being easily killed is "strange". How the hell could sloth bears exist at all if they were easily killed by every tiger they came across? Like I said earlier, the unusual part was the tiger attacking head on like that, I've since learned its a young dumb tiger, makes sense. |
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| Warsaw2014 | Mar 5 2018, 03:50 AM Post #24 |
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First of all, analogies are not equally useful. "Argument from analogy is a special type of inductive argument, whereby perceived similarities are used as a basis to infer some further similarity that has yet to be observed. Analogical reasoning is one " In short. Maybe Tigerburning "had some good points there." But I dont see any similarities between" chasing ability "or 10 second fight scene AND 15 minute close fight. "In short, he is simply stating that the animal fighting for its life is going to give its all while the other has much more power and free will over the situation to leave when it wants to." Yes I agree with that. But you dont get my point. Clearly tiger "pretty much dominated the fight with ease" But at the same time tiger had a death grip on the bear neck. SUPRISINGLY after 15 minutes" the bear manages to struggle free and begins to chase the male tiger away" AND "Finally T54 [the tiger] comes back to the waterhole totally exhausted and tired.”Thats all. Edited by Warsaw2014, Mar 5 2018, 05:48 AM.
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| Ntwadumela | Mar 5 2018, 04:24 AM Post #25 |
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Young and dumb tiger? That's an adult male! |
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| k9boy | Mar 5 2018, 04:33 AM Post #26 |
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the tiger didnt attack head on, the bear did (which startled the tiger, probably expected them to flee) the tiger that killed the sloth bear in the previous video engaged it head on, and dispatched it easily. your acting like its unheard of for cats to tackle things head on. its rare, but it happens. |
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| Warsaw2014 | Mar 5 2018, 05:30 AM Post #27 |
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Jeez, you have been here for years, you cannot possibly be a teenager. Actually it was my first post (called by you as" treaty") (post # 20) here. So I do not understand your hysterical and childish tirade. Why are you so upset? What is your real problem. My single post #20 called as " treaty" OR something else.Why you used argumentum ad hominem against me? "Of course, we can speculate, this is what we are doing here, and I think it's fun and it's interesting to do that." But when Warsaw speculate this is not fun and its not interesting . Double standarts. "so, maybe bears are superior to felids, even at parity or at inferior weights. Or maybe not." I always state that "at parity this is close figth" and" l"It all depends on the individual" So what is your real problem here? "In the end, unless you take 100 bears and 100 big cats matched in weight and other conditions and make them fight there is no way to be sure. A fight between two individual animals, as Tigeburninbright pointed out, is influenced by so many variables and circumstances, and the reports of the observers may also be influenced by individual impressions and emotions, that it's difficult to reach firm conclusion" Well you missed that I agree COMPLETELY with Tigeburninbright here? All (Wild) animal conflict is based on circumstance and variables....Not Pre-set "Math equations" like many people believe... I completely agree with what you said. Yes All (Wild) animal conflict is based on circumstance and variables. unless you take 100 bears and 100 big cats matched in weight and other conditions and make them fight there is no way to be sure. A fight between two individual animals, as Tigeburninbright pointed out, is influenced by so many variables and circumstances, and the reports of the observers may also be influenced by individual impressions and emotions, that it's difficult to reach firm conclusions. They are living things, not machines. Of course, we can speculate, this is what we are doing here, Yes I agree with that. We can speculate WITHOUT insluts (i. e you cannot possibly be a teenager, you miss any sleep etc) stop insulting me. Just don't refer to it that way. That's a good example of what not to do if you want to convince people you're the kind of mature individual. But not when somebody goes to any possible length, disputing and speculating and turning around on every word somebody may write, in order to show the superiority of the animal they like. Here is example what you are wrong about me. And once again stop insulting me. http://carnivoraforum.com/single/?p=10042187&t=9698068 Ad meritum Im really SUPRISED that "after 15 minutes" the bear manages to struggle free and begins to chase the male tiger away" AND "Finally T54 [the tiger] comes back to the waterhole totally exhausted and tired.” Do you have problem with that? the tiger didnt attack head on, the bear did (which startled the tiger, probably expected them to flee) Well on close inspection, based on your link. Tiger tries to attack bear cub. Mother sloth bears charge the tiger. Nothing unusual at all. "Mother sloth bear with cubs have been documented fighting off tigers by charging them with cubs clinging to their backs." https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2338760886150205&id=1105619496131023&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fcarnivoraforum.com%2Ftopic%2F30196062%2F2%2F&_rdr Edited by Warsaw2014, Mar 5 2018, 06:18 AM.
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| Lightning | Mar 5 2018, 08:05 AM Post #28 |
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Brave bear But just because animal A ran away from animal B, it does not mean that animal B can kill animal A (unless you want to believe that a house cat can kill a black bear). In a fight to the death, the tiger would have won. |
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| Sinornis | Mar 5 2018, 09:15 AM Post #29 |
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I agree with Ryo here, seems like a half-hearted effort by the tiger. If the tiger really wanted to kill the sloth bear, I believe it would have been done rather quickly. |
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| Grazier | Mar 5 2018, 09:52 AM Post #30 |
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"If it wanted to, it would've(easily, no less)" has to be the biggest cop out argument... I wish I could inspire that kind of faith. It really is the psychology of a religious cult following when you start talking like that. The cult of cat. |
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