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African Wild Dog 5 (83.3%)
Siberian Husky 1 (16.7%)
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African Wild Dog v Siberian Husky
Topic Started: Mar 27 2018, 08:54 PM (898 Views)
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African Wild Dog - Lycaon pictus
Lycaon pictus is a large canid found only in Africa, especially in savannas and lightly wooded areas. It is variously called the African wild dog, African hunting dog, Cape hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, painted hunting dog, spotted dog, or ornate wolf. he scientific name "Lycaon pictus" is derived from the Greek for "wolf" and the Latin for "painted". It is the only canid species to lack dewclaws on the forelimbs. The African wild dog is the bulkiest and most solidly built of African canids. The species stands 60–75 cm (24–30 in) in shoulder height, and weighs 20–25 kg (44–55 lb) in East Africa and up to 30 kg (66 lb) in southern Africa. A tall, lean animal, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in). Animals in southern Africa are generally larger than those in eastern or western Africa. There is little sexual dimorphism, though judging by skeletal dimensions, males are usually 3-7% larger. The African wild dog's main prey varies among populations but always centers around medium-to-large sized ungulates, such as the impala, Thomson's Gazelle, Springbok, kudu, reedbuck, and wildebeest calves. The most frequent single prey species depends upon season and local availability. For example, in the Serengeti in the 1970s wildebeest (mostly calves) were the most frequently taken species (57%) from January to June, but Thompsons gazelle were the most frequently taken (79%) during the rest of the year.

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Siberian Husky
The Siberian Husky (Russian: Сибирский хаски, Sibirskiy haski, "Siberian husky") is a medium-size, dense-coat working dog breed that originated in north-eastern Siberia. The breed belongs to the Spitz genetic family. It is recognisable by its thickly furred double coat, sickle tail, erect triangular ears, and distinctive markings. Huskies are an active, energetic, and resilient breed whose ancestors came from the extremely cold and harsh environment of the Siberian Arctic. Siberian Huskies were bred by the Chukchi of Northeastern Asia to pull heavy loads long distances through difficult conditions. The dogs were imported into Alaska during the Nome Gold Rush and later spread into the United States and Canada. They were initially sent to Alaska and Canada as sled dogs but rapidly acquired the status of family pets and show dogs. Because of its efficiency as a working breed, most huskies are bred to be able to withstand long work days on little amounts of food. The breed standard indicates that the males of the breed are ideally between 21 and 23.5 inches (53 and 60 cm) tall at the withers and weighing between 45 and 60 pounds (20 and 27 kg). Females are smaller, growing to between 20 to 22 inches (51 to 56 cm) tall at the withers and weighing between 35 to 50 pounds (16 to 23 kg).

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ImperialDino
Mar 27 2018, 02:50 AM
Siberian Husky vs Ethiopian Wolf


The Ethiopian Wolf is too small, the AWD isn't!
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I think it really depends on the condition of the Husky

I know waaay to many people that just have a pet husky, that on no capacity whatsoever has any physical exercise. Honestly I feel bad for the dog. Honestly, I doubt they would be Mich more than fodder to the AWD.

Take a standard Husky, that lets say is a pet, but does have moderate amounts of physical activity, and is allowed sufficient exercise, I'd say it has a chance. Though still favoring the AWD.

Take an Alaskan Husky sled dog, those dogs are physically conditioned as heck. Now granted, they are defiantly more marathon runners than fighters, but they are extreamly fit. And in my experience(which isn't alot with sled dogs, though I do have some) Husky's can be vicious fighters, but I think they're amount of physical conditioning plays a large part, in terms of the husky.
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Another one of these threads?

Anyway, the AWD has several advantages here (stronger bite, teeth better suited for dismembering opponents, etc.) while I can't really think of an advantage the husky would have, though they can be formidable dogs in their own right.
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I think it was Ryo who stated that Nordic and Spitz type dogs have been known to skull bite as well? I mean I still favor the AWD but true working Siberian Huskies are legendary for their great stamina and abilty to survive in the wilderness quite well compared to other domestic breeds. I say a Husky could put up a good fight with a AWD.

Just to show a Huskies prey drive, don't know if this against forum rules or not:
https://youtu.be/kmvWe8RxMtw
Edited by K9 Bite, Mar 28 2018, 01:53 AM.
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African Wild Dog wins, it's got a formidable bite and regularly kills large animals.
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Mar 28 2018, 01:53 AM
I think it was Ryo who stated that Nordic and Spitz type dogs have been known to skull bite as well? I mean I still favor the AWD but true working Siberian Huskies are legendary for their great stamina and abilty to survive in the wilderness quite well compared to other domestic breeds. I say a Husky could put up a good fight with a AWD.

Just to show a Huskies prey drive, don't know if this against forum rules or not:
https://youtu.be/kmvWe8RxMtw
The only account of a husky doing any thing of the sort, as far as I know, is that video. And killing that poor little poodle is something any dog of that size should be able to easily do. I don't really know what you're trying to prove with this.

Huskies do have great stamina, but so do AWDs, who often chase their prey over several kilometres at a high speed (and AWDs are faster than whippets and just a little slower than greyhounds).
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Wild dog packs mostly hunt medium sized antelope like impala (Aepyceros melampus) and Thompson's gazelle (Eudorcas thomsonii) by approaching silently and then chasing the prey down at an average speed of 66 km per hour over an average distance of 6 km (Estes & Goddard 1967).
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271694268_Prey_Selection_and_Hunting_Behavior_of_the_African_Wild_Dog
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Mauro20
Mar 28 2018, 02:24 AM
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Mar 28 2018, 01:53 AM
I think it was Ryo who stated that Nordic and Spitz type dogs have been known to skull bite as well? I mean I still favor the AWD but true working Siberian Huskies are legendary for their great stamina and abilty to survive in the wilderness quite well compared to other domestic breeds. I say a Husky could put up a good fight with a AWD.

Just to show a Huskies prey drive, don't know if this against forum rules or not:
https://youtu.be/kmvWe8RxMtw
The only account of a husky doing any thing of the sort, as far as I know, is that video. And killing that poor little poodle is something any dog of that size should be able to easily do. I don't really know what you're trying to prove with this.

Huskies do have great stamina, but so do AWDs, who often chase their prey over several kilometres at a high speed (and AWDs are faster than whippets and just a little slower than greyhounds).
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Wild dog packs mostly hunt medium sized antelope like impala (Aepyceros melampus) and Thompson's gazelle (Eudorcas thomsonii) by approaching silently and then chasing the prey down at an average speed of 66 km per hour over an average distance of 6 km (Estes & Goddard 1967).
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271694268_Prey_Selection_and_Hunting_Behavior_of_the_African_Wild_Dog
Yes you're right, any dog of that size should easily be able to kill that poor little poodle. What matters, is the Way it killed it.

The fact that some random husky could kill with a skull bite, should infer that they are in fact able of killing that way.
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Don't be ridiculous. Breaking the skull of a toy dog doesn't mean they could do anything of the sort to a similar-sized animal. That's like if I posted one account of a pinscher crushing the bones of a rat and then claimed it could do the same to another dog.
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Mar 28 2018, 02:46 AM
Don't be ridiculous. Breaking the skull of a toy dog doesn't mean they could do anything of the sort to a similar-sized animal. That's like if I posted one account of a pinscher crushing the bones of a rat and then claimed it could do the same to another dog.
It's not ridiculous. The dog effectively used a skull bite to kill an animal. This proves that they can in fact use skull bites.

When there are accounts of wolves killing small dogs with skull bits, everyone begins the praise ceremony for the mighty wolf.

But when a dog does it, let the skeptics loose....
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It is extremely ridiculous. As I said, there are plenty of accounts of even toy dogs breaking the bones of small animals like rats. Does that mean we should regard them as capable bone breakers? Things like size and the thickness of the skull matter.

If huskies can crush the skulls of similar-sized dogs, then show me evidence, just like there are lots of evidence of wolves using skull bites on other wolves. Otherwise don't even bother.
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Mar 28 2018, 03:01 AM
It is extremely ridiculous. As I said, there are plenty of accounts of even toy dogs breaking the bones of small animals like rats. Does that mean we should regard them as capable bone breakers? Things like size and the thickness of the skull matter.

If huskies can crush the skulls of similar-sized dogs, then show me evidence, just like there are lots of evidence of wolves using skull bites on other wolves. Otherwise don't even bother.
We're not even talking about breaking bones, and frankly that's an irrelevant comparison.

The dog used a skull bite. That's a fact.
I never said they could crush the skulls of simaler sized dogs. Don't know why you brought that up.

That's like saying because a pit bull doesn't break another pit bulls neck immediately, a pit bull can't neck bite.
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If using a "skull bite" just means biting the head to you, then there's nothing special about it and lots of domestic dogs do it all the time. It's breaking the skull that's actually relevant, and breaking the small, thin skull of a toy dog is obviously not going to be a good analogy to breaking the skull of an AWD (or any other similar-sized dog).
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Mauro20
Mar 28 2018, 03:12 AM
If using a "skull bite" just means biting the head to you, then there's nothing special about it and lots of domestic dogs do it all the time. It's breaking the skull that's actually relevant, and breaking the small, thin skull of a toy dog is obviously not going to be a good analogy to breaking the skull of an AWD (or any other similar-sized dog).
All I was saying was that the dog in this video used a skull bite to kill. It immediately knew exactly how to kill that animal.

I doubt it would be able to crush the skull of a AWD, though I'll look into that later.

The fact that It did know how to effectively use a skull bite is just what I found notable.
Most dogs, even when they are attacking even a small, weak target, will fumble around with it alot.

This dog attacked with speed and precision.
Edited by WaffleKing, Mar 28 2018, 03:20 AM.
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Yeah, I seriously doubt a husky has the jaw strength to get through an AWD's skull. Smaller dogs often get cranial injuries when attacked from larger dogs though.

On the other hand, AWD's aren't known for killing with skull bites, and they usually avoid hard food items like bones when consuming prey. Their teeth are especially adapted for slicing through flesh, more so than dogs and even wolves.

From Wikipedia:

"The heel of the lower carnassial M1 is crested with a single blade-like cusp, which enhances the shearing capacity of the teeth and thus the speed at which prey can be consumed. This feature, termed "trenchant heel", is shared with two other canids: the Asian dhole and the South American bush dog."

I doubt a husky is the dog for this job.
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WaffleKing
Mar 28 2018, 02:55 AM
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Mar 28 2018, 02:46 AM
Don't be ridiculous. Breaking the skull of a toy dog doesn't mean they could do anything of the sort to a similar-sized animal. That's like if I posted one account of a pinscher crushing the bones of a rat and then claimed it could do the same to another dog.
It's not ridiculous. The dog effectively used a skull bite to kill an animal. This proves that they can in fact use skull bites.

When there are accounts of wolves killing small dogs with skull bits, everyone begins the praise ceremony for the mighty wolf.

But when a dog does it, let the skeptics loose....
Given the size discrepancy between a toy breed and a Husky if the husky bit anywhere on the front half of the dog the toy breeds skull would be in its head.

Not much else to grab.
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