Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Carnivora. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
African Wild Dog v Siberian Husky
Topic Started: Mar 27 2018, 08:54 PM (899 Views)
Taipan
Member Avatar
Administrator

African Wild Dog - Lycaon pictus
Lycaon pictus is a large canid found only in Africa, especially in savannas and lightly wooded areas. It is variously called the African wild dog, African hunting dog, Cape hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, painted hunting dog, spotted dog, or ornate wolf. he scientific name "Lycaon pictus" is derived from the Greek for "wolf" and the Latin for "painted". It is the only canid species to lack dewclaws on the forelimbs. The African wild dog is the bulkiest and most solidly built of African canids. The species stands 60–75 cm (24–30 in) in shoulder height, and weighs 20–25 kg (44–55 lb) in East Africa and up to 30 kg (66 lb) in southern Africa. A tall, lean animal, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in). Animals in southern Africa are generally larger than those in eastern or western Africa. There is little sexual dimorphism, though judging by skeletal dimensions, males are usually 3-7% larger. The African wild dog's main prey varies among populations but always centers around medium-to-large sized ungulates, such as the impala, Thomson's Gazelle, Springbok, kudu, reedbuck, and wildebeest calves. The most frequent single prey species depends upon season and local availability. For example, in the Serengeti in the 1970s wildebeest (mostly calves) were the most frequently taken species (57%) from January to June, but Thompsons gazelle were the most frequently taken (79%) during the rest of the year.

Posted Image

Siberian Husky
The Siberian Husky (Russian: Сибирский хаски, Sibirskiy haski, "Siberian husky") is a medium-size, dense-coat working dog breed that originated in north-eastern Siberia. The breed belongs to the Spitz genetic family. It is recognisable by its thickly furred double coat, sickle tail, erect triangular ears, and distinctive markings. Huskies are an active, energetic, and resilient breed whose ancestors came from the extremely cold and harsh environment of the Siberian Arctic. Siberian Huskies were bred by the Chukchi of Northeastern Asia to pull heavy loads long distances through difficult conditions. The dogs were imported into Alaska during the Nome Gold Rush and later spread into the United States and Canada. They were initially sent to Alaska and Canada as sled dogs but rapidly acquired the status of family pets and show dogs. Because of its efficiency as a working breed, most huskies are bred to be able to withstand long work days on little amounts of food. The breed standard indicates that the males of the breed are ideally between 21 and 23.5 inches (53 and 60 cm) tall at the withers and weighing between 45 and 60 pounds (20 and 27 kg). Females are smaller, growing to between 20 to 22 inches (51 to 56 cm) tall at the withers and weighing between 35 to 50 pounds (16 to 23 kg).

Posted Image




ImperialDino
Mar 27 2018, 02:50 AM
Siberian Husky vs Ethiopian Wolf


The Ethiopian Wolf is too small, the AWD isn't!
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Replies:
WaffleKing
Member Avatar
Heterotrophic Organism
[ *  *  * ]
Black Ice
Mar 28 2018, 04:29 AM
WaffleKing
Mar 28 2018, 02:55 AM
Mauro20
Mar 28 2018, 02:46 AM
Don't be ridiculous. Breaking the skull of a toy dog doesn't mean they could do anything of the sort to a similar-sized animal. That's like if I posted one account of a pinscher crushing the bones of a rat and then claimed it could do the same to another dog.
It's not ridiculous. The dog effectively used a skull bite to kill an animal. This proves that they can in fact use skull bites.

When there are accounts of wolves killing small dogs with skull bits, everyone begins the praise ceremony for the mighty wolf.

But when a dog does it, let the skeptics loose....
Given the size discrepancy between a toy breed and a Husky if the husky bit anywhere on the front half of the dog the toy breeds skull would be in its head.

Not much else to grab.
I've seen plenty of confrontations between large dogs and small critters, mostly skunks and raccoons, and they always grab it by the neck, or sometimes some other part of the body (but rarely ever the head) and rag doll it. Most dogs just clumsily grab hold and shake vigorously.

This dog knew what it was doing and attacked with speed and precision.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mauro20
Member Avatar
Badass
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Vita
Mar 28 2018, 04:16 AM
On the other hand, AWD's aren't known for killing with skull bites, and they usually avoid hard food items like bones when consuming prey. Their teeth are especially adapted for slicing through flesh, more so than dogs and even wolves.
Going to have to disagree with you there Vita. Yes, the teeth of the AWD are particularly good for tearing flesh, but they're very good at breaking bones as well, and they do it often.

Posted Image
Source: The African wild dog: behavior, ecology, and conservation by Scott Creel and Nancy Marusha Creel.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Grazier
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Huskies do fight exactly like wolves (being much smaller they have less power in their jaws, but their fighting instincts are unchanged).

However, who says this is the best or even a good way to fight? You're all obsessed with this "skull bite" nonsense and generally work backwards from wolves being the ideal canine combatants, when they're survivalists and no more the ideal canine combatant than a Kalahari bushmen is an ideal human combatant.

The proof is in the pudding with Spitz breeds being most like wolves out of all dogs, followed by herders, and then noting that these dogs will lose to a chubby pampered pet sbt half their size every single time. You're all living in a deluded fantasy about wolves.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Ryo
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
That is becuaes these Spitz only fight like Wolves, but their damage is more or less the same as the sbt. Except for the size and fang size difference ofc. Your usual Spitz would not have the bite power, fang size, nor the know-how when it comes to giving effective skull bites or similar to end a fight quickly. If they had, then you would often hear of rouge Pitbulls being killed by the Huskies they attack. But you don't ever hear that. I have yet to hear it atleast.

Meanwhile, a Wolf of similar size as a Husky, both visually and weight speaking, would often have better killing bites and actually know where to place them. We do have 1 or 2 accounts Pitbull and American Bully being either beat up or killed by smaller Wolves.

In short, Spitz are only similar to Wolves in some regards. Similar enough to be called an inferior Wolf subspecies on many levels, especially the killing technique.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Black Ice
Member Avatar
Drom King
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Grazier
Mar 28 2018, 05:42 AM
Huskies do fight exactly like wolves (being much smaller they have less power in their jaws, but their fighting instincts are unchanged).

However, who says this is the best or even a good way to fight? You're all obsessed with this "skull bite" nonsense and generally work backwards from wolves being the ideal canine combatants, when they're survivalists and no more the ideal canine combatant than a Kalahari bushmen is an ideal human combatant.

The proof is in the pudding with Spitz breeds being most like wolves out of all dogs, followed by herders, and then noting that these dogs will lose to a chubby pampered pet sbt half their size every single time. You're all living in a deluded fantasy about wolves.
It's like you come into every dog thread and just blatantly say stupid stuff.
WaffleKing
Mar 28 2018, 04:32 AM
Black Ice
Mar 28 2018, 04:29 AM
WaffleKing
Mar 28 2018, 02:55 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Given the size discrepancy between a toy breed and a Husky if the husky bit anywhere on the front half of the dog the toy breeds skull would be in its head.

Not much else to grab.
I've seen plenty of confrontations between large dogs and small critters, mostly skunks and raccoons, and they always grab it by the neck, or sometimes some other part of the body (but rarely ever the head) and rag doll it. Most dogs just clumsily grab hold and shake vigorously.

This dog knew what it was doing and attacked with speed and precision.
That Husky completely surprised the dog. Pay attention and it actually bit the neck area not the head. Notice the dogs neck was broke.
Edited by Black Ice, Mar 28 2018, 05:53 AM.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
k9boy
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
after seeing what happened to that 2lb poodle i vote husky, the AWD doesnt have a chance
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Vivyx
Member Avatar
Felines, sharks, birds, arthropods
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
deleted
Edited by Vivyx, Mar 29 2018, 03:34 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Vita
Member Avatar
Cave Canem
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Mauro20
Mar 28 2018, 04:55 AM
Vita
Mar 28 2018, 04:16 AM
On the other hand, AWD's aren't known for killing with skull bites, and they usually avoid hard food items like bones when consuming prey. Their teeth are especially adapted for slicing through flesh, more so than dogs and even wolves.
Going to have to disagree with you there Vita. Yes, the teeth of the AWD are particularly good for tearing flesh, but they're very good at breaking bones as well, and they do it often.

Posted Image
Source: The African wild dog: behavior, ecology, and conservation by Scott Creel and Nancy Marusha Creel.
Well, that is new to me. The more you know.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Grazier
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Ryo
Mar 28 2018, 05:49 AM
That is becuaes these Spitz only fight like Wolves, but their damage is more or less the same as the sbt. Except for the size and fang size difference ofc. Your usual Spitz would not have the bite power, fang size, nor the know-how when it comes to giving effective skull bites or similar to end a fight quickly. If they had, then you would often hear of rouge Pitbulls being killed by the Huskies they attack. But you don't ever hear that. I have yet to hear it atleast.

Meanwhile, a Wolf of similar size as a Husky, both visually and weight speaking, would often have better killing bites and actually know where to place them. We do have 1 or 2 accounts Pitbull and American Bully being either beat up or killed by smaller Wolves.

In short, Spitz are only similar to Wolves in some regards. Similar enough to be called an inferior Wolf subspecies on many levels, especially the killing technique.
So if the sbt and husky are equal in the skull department, and the sbt easily wins every time without exception, what is stopping a gripping dog with the dimensions of a large wolf doing the same to a wolf?

Huskies do actually have the "know how" by the way, that is retained in primitive dogs.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
CanineCanis
Member Avatar
Herbivore
[ *  *  *  * ]
@WaffleKing I love how you assume people praise wolves for doing something like what that husky did on small dogs, you always assume people are biased towards the wild game every time eh? rolleyes

Regardless that video is brutal, however I’m not sure how a husky could do that to a similarly sized AWD

I’m currently 50/50
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Ryo
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Grazier
Mar 28 2018, 06:45 AM
Ryo
Mar 28 2018, 05:49 AM
That is becuaes these Spitz only fight like Wolves, but their damage is more or less the same as the sbt. Except for the size and fang size difference ofc. Your usual Spitz would not have the bite power, fang size, nor the know-how when it comes to giving effective skull bites or similar to end a fight quickly. If they had, then you would often hear of rouge Pitbulls being killed by the Huskies they attack. But you don't ever hear that. I have yet to hear it atleast.

Meanwhile, a Wolf of similar size as a Husky, both visually and weight speaking, would often have better killing bites and actually know where to place them. We do have 1 or 2 accounts Pitbull and American Bully being either beat up or killed by smaller Wolves.

In short, Spitz are only similar to Wolves in some regards. Similar enough to be called an inferior Wolf subspecies on many levels, especially the killing technique.
So if the sbt and husky are equal in the skull department, and the sbt easily wins every time without exception, what is stopping a gripping dog with the dimensions of a large wolf doing the same to a wolf?

Huskies do actually have the "know how" by the way, that is retained in primitive dogs.
What prevents the sbt from doing the same to a smaller Wolf is the Wolfs seemingly better reflexes, better snapping bite and know-how. We have a circumstance similar to the one you are asking for actually. The one with the Italian Wolf who killed a Pitbull (which I assume i was attacked by), by a bite near the skull.
We have another case with an even smaller Wolf fighting an American Bully. The Bully completely dominated that fight, throwing the Wolf around as it was nothing, but the final killing blow couldn't be dealt. All it took for the Wolf however, was 1 tiny second of a chance, where it could exactly move freely enough to give a painful nose snap.

So clearly, Huskies and other Spitz are a bit Wolf-like in their nature, but as seen, their way of handling gripping dogs is clearly not as good as that of Wolves. Likely due to a lot of small factors making a big difference.

And then, the smaller Wolves which the gripping dogs as Pits might be able to handle, are still all around inferior to the big Canadian Wolves. So you need a higher tier dog to beat a lower tier Wolf at similar size.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
WaffleKing
Member Avatar
Heterotrophic Organism
[ *  *  * ]
CanineCanis
Mar 28 2018, 07:14 AM
@WaffleKing I love how you assume people praise wolves for doing something like what that husky did on small dogs, you always assume people are biased towards the wild game every time eh? rolleyes

Regardless that video is brutal, however I’m not sure how a husky could do that to a similarly sized AWD

I’m currently 50/50
The truth is, people are most of the time biased towards wolves and wild animals as oppose to domestic. I can think of several occasions where wolves were praised for killing smaller candids.

Yes, a husky killing that tiny fur ball was no surprise, and even though it was pretty brutal, I just though it was interesting theWay it killed it.

I don't think a husky could do that to a AWD at parity either, I just was making an observation about a video.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Lightning
Member Avatar
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I think it's close to a mismatch in favour of the African wild dog. The husky is a working dog, not a hunting/fighting dog and an average husky probably never killed anything. And compare that to an African wild dog that regularly kills large prey and completes with lions, hyenas, leopards and has deadly teeth that cut flesh easily...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Ryo
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I am convinced that the African Wild Dog will take its fair share of beating from the Husky. Those sled dogs can be absolutely. I'd perhaps dare say that they have much more fighting experience against similar sized Canids 1v1 than what the African Wild Dogs have. Also remember that the wild dogs kill prey in large numbers that flees from them.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
WaffleKing
Member Avatar
Heterotrophic Organism
[ *  *  * ]
Ryo
Mar 28 2018, 08:48 AM
I am convinced that the African Wild Dog will take its fair share of beating from the Husky. Those sled dogs can be absolutely. I'd perhaps dare say that they have much more fighting experience against similar sized Canids 1v1 than what the African Wild Dogs have. Also remember that the wild dogs kill prey in large numbers that flees from them.
Honestly, with the proper training, I see no reason why a pack of Husky's wouldn't be able to take down large fleeing prey (their equivalent would be an Elk), just like a AWD.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Interspecific Conflict · Next Topic »
Add Reply