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African Wild Dog v Siberian Husky
Topic Started: Mar 27 2018, 08:54 PM (897 Views)
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African Wild Dog - Lycaon pictus
Lycaon pictus is a large canid found only in Africa, especially in savannas and lightly wooded areas. It is variously called the African wild dog, African hunting dog, Cape hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, painted hunting dog, spotted dog, or ornate wolf. he scientific name "Lycaon pictus" is derived from the Greek for "wolf" and the Latin for "painted". It is the only canid species to lack dewclaws on the forelimbs. The African wild dog is the bulkiest and most solidly built of African canids. The species stands 60–75 cm (24–30 in) in shoulder height, and weighs 20–25 kg (44–55 lb) in East Africa and up to 30 kg (66 lb) in southern Africa. A tall, lean animal, with a head and body length of 75–141 cm (30–56 in) plus a tail of 30 to 45 cm (12 to 18 in). Animals in southern Africa are generally larger than those in eastern or western Africa. There is little sexual dimorphism, though judging by skeletal dimensions, males are usually 3-7% larger. The African wild dog's main prey varies among populations but always centers around medium-to-large sized ungulates, such as the impala, Thomson's Gazelle, Springbok, kudu, reedbuck, and wildebeest calves. The most frequent single prey species depends upon season and local availability. For example, in the Serengeti in the 1970s wildebeest (mostly calves) were the most frequently taken species (57%) from January to June, but Thompsons gazelle were the most frequently taken (79%) during the rest of the year.

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Siberian Husky
The Siberian Husky (Russian: Сибирский хаски, Sibirskiy haski, "Siberian husky") is a medium-size, dense-coat working dog breed that originated in north-eastern Siberia. The breed belongs to the Spitz genetic family. It is recognisable by its thickly furred double coat, sickle tail, erect triangular ears, and distinctive markings. Huskies are an active, energetic, and resilient breed whose ancestors came from the extremely cold and harsh environment of the Siberian Arctic. Siberian Huskies were bred by the Chukchi of Northeastern Asia to pull heavy loads long distances through difficult conditions. The dogs were imported into Alaska during the Nome Gold Rush and later spread into the United States and Canada. They were initially sent to Alaska and Canada as sled dogs but rapidly acquired the status of family pets and show dogs. Because of its efficiency as a working breed, most huskies are bred to be able to withstand long work days on little amounts of food. The breed standard indicates that the males of the breed are ideally between 21 and 23.5 inches (53 and 60 cm) tall at the withers and weighing between 45 and 60 pounds (20 and 27 kg). Females are smaller, growing to between 20 to 22 inches (51 to 56 cm) tall at the withers and weighing between 35 to 50 pounds (16 to 23 kg).

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ImperialDino
Mar 27 2018, 02:50 AM
Siberian Husky vs Ethiopian Wolf


The Ethiopian Wolf is too small, the AWD isn't!
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Mar 28 2018, 08:48 AM
I am convinced that the African Wild Dog will take its fair share of beating from the Husky. Those sled dogs can be absolutely. I'd perhaps dare say that they have much more fighting experience against similar sized Canids 1v1 than what the African Wild Dogs have. Also remember that the wild dogs kill prey in large numbers that flees from them.
I doubt it. Most Siberian huskies are pets and have pretty much no fighting experience, and the few among them who work may fight more since they are often members of largish packs, but the people who keep sled dogs usually aren't too fond of their dogs beating up each other, and I think they will do their best to stop that. I believe there would be no shortage of fights in the lives of African wild dogs.

Also, wild dogs sometimes hunt alone.
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It has always struck me as somewhat remarkable that animals so confident in their powers of offence that they will sometimes attack a herd of buffaloes, and that a single one of them will occasionally try conclusions with so fierce and powerful an animal as a sable antelope bull, should never have turned their attention seriously to man as an article of diet; yet in all my experience I have never heard of wild dogs attacking human beings, nor have I ever heard either Kafirs or Bushmen express any fear of them. This is all the more remarkable because when they are met with they do not show any great fear of man, but retreat very leisurely, constantly halting and looking back curiously before finally trotting off.

All African antelopes probably live in deadly fear of wild dogs, for on the occasion when, with two companions, I saw a single wild dog overtake a sable antelope bull, the latter halted and looked round when its pursuer was about fifty yards behind it, and then, instead of showing fight, as I should have expected it to do, threw out its limbs convulsively and ran at its utmost speed; but the wild dog overhauled it with apparent ease, and twice jumped up and snapped at its flank, each time, I think, making good its bite. Now this wild dog must have been running very much faster than any South African hunting horse could do, for although it is easy enough to gallop up to sable and roan antelope cows in August and September, when these animals are heavy with calf, I have never been able to run into a bull of either of these species, though I have often attempted to do so, with very good horses, on the open downs of Mashunaland. Wild dogs, too, can run down koodoo cows and impala antelopes, as well as hartebeests and tsessebes, none of which animals can be overtaken on horseback, and I believe that the general concensus of opinion amongst African hunters would be that no horse could overtake a wild dog.
Source: African Nature Notes and Reminiscences by Frederick Courteney Selous.

Sable antelope bulls are fairly big animals:

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Mar 28 2018, 08:09 AM
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Mar 28 2018, 07:14 AM
@WaffleKing I love how you assume people praise wolves for doing something like what that husky did on small dogs, you always assume people are biased towards the wild game every time eh? rolleyes

Regardless that video is brutal, however I’m not sure how a husky could do that to a similarly sized AWD

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The truth is, people are most of the time biased towards wolves and wild animals as oppose to domestic. I can think of several occasions where wolves were praised for killing smaller candids.

Yes, a husky killing that tiny fur ball was no surprise, and even though it was pretty brutal, I just though it was interesting theWay it killed it.

I don't think a husky could do that to a AWD at parity either, I just was making an observation about a video.

Ok, however I’ve never seen it

Except maybe me in the past cause I’m the most biased canid lover ever lol
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I don't have any links handy, but I have seen a few vids and perhaps a few clips from documentaries a long time ago, where it was seen how the aggressively fight each other. Some people would try and stop it, but they aren't around all the time to prevent that. Others, from the less modern parts of the north, seemed to care less and had their dogs leashed together. Sometimes they would even begin fighting aggressively when resting. These are the same places where they just throw them raw Seal and Walrush meat and skin.

So in geneal, all the working specimens (and I include the Mongrols and the Greenland sled dogs as well, not sure if that is allowed or reasonable), seems to have more infighting than African Wild Dogs, which is usually the very thing that doesn't happen in their packs as much as other Canid species right? I have seen them attack other AWDs before, but it was like 7 on 1 each time. I am not even sure if they do 1v1 fight as a common or just slightly rare rule.

Also lastly, very impressive. But I can't help but pulling my stamian skepticism as always. The site only said " will occasionally try conclusions" which I assume means that it will try and test the animal out, running around it, making the same moves as Wolves do by jumping back and forth and slightly smacking the ground with their front paws, perhaps even nipping and biting it. But since it did not post a confirmed kill, I guess that means they harass them to test if they are weak enough to be taken down.
My real "skepticism" however, is based on that an AWD could basically harass something as large as a Buffalo for days on end, if it just had water nearby, so I assume it could do the same to a Sables as well if it really wanted to.

What is the largest confirmed kill by AWD and Dholes, both in packs and single handedly?
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As far as I know, this is the largest confirmed kill by a single African wild dog:
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Though a single dog has been recorded to kill an adult kudu, Tragelaphus strepsiceros, cow (this study), they will generally also be less likely than larger packs to tackle large prey.
Source: https://academic.oup.com/beheco/article/13/1/20/181189

According to Wikipedia, females of this species weigh 120–210 kg (260–460 lb).
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Mar 28 2018, 09:47 AM
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Mar 28 2018, 08:09 AM
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Mar 28 2018, 07:14 AM
@WaffleKing I love how you assume people praise wolves for doing something like what that husky did on small dogs, you always assume people are biased towards the wild game every time eh? rolleyes

Regardless that video is brutal, however I’m not sure how a husky could do that to a similarly sized AWD

I’m currently 50/50
The truth is, people are most of the time biased towards wolves and wild animals as oppose to domestic. I can think of several occasions where wolves were praised for killing smaller candids.

Yes, a husky killing that tiny fur ball was no surprise, and even though it was pretty brutal, I just though it was interesting theWay it killed it.

I don't think a husky could do that to a AWD at parity either, I just was making an observation about a video.

Ok, however I’ve never seen it

Except maybe me in the past cause I’m the most biased canid lover ever lol
You know I've actually been apart of reading and following this forum for years now, it's just recently that I actually got a account lol
Ryo
Mar 28 2018, 09:52 AM
I don't have any links handy, but I have seen a few vids and perhaps a few clips from documentaries a long time ago, where it was seen how the aggressively fight each other. Some people would try and stop it, but they aren't around all the time to prevent that. Others, from the less modern parts of the north, seemed to care less and had their dogs leashed together. Sometimes they would even begin fighting aggressively when resting. These are the same places where they just throw them raw Seal and Walrush meat and skin.

So in geneal, all the working specimens (and I include the Mongrols and the Greenland sled dogs as well, not sure if that is allowed or reasonable), seems to have more infighting than African Wild Dogs, which is usually the very thing that doesn't happen in their packs as much as other Canid species right? I have seen them attack other AWDs before, but it was like 7 on 1 each time. I am not even sure if they do 1v1 fight as a common or just slightly rare rule.

Also lastly, very impressive. But I can't help but pulling my stamian skepticism as always. The site only said " will occasionally try conclusions" which I assume means that it will try and test the animal out, running around it, making the same moves as Wolves do by jumping back and forth and slightly smacking the ground with their front paws, perhaps even nipping and biting it. But since it did not post a confirmed kill, I guess that means they harass them to test if they are weak enough to be taken down.
My real "skepticism" however, is based on that an AWD could basically harass something as large as a Buffalo for days on end, if it just had water nearby, so I assume it could do the same to a Sables as well if it really wanted to.

What is the largest confirmed kill by AWD and Dholes, both in packs and single handedly?
I just think it's lame to assume all working dog breeds are just pets in these matchups. Husky's were built to be working, endurance runner sled dogs, living in extreamly harsh conditions.

It's like assuming every wild animal in a matchup is a zoo animal. I don't care if 99% of Husky's are pets, they should still be seen as working sled dogs, like they were designed to be.
Edited by WaffleKing, Mar 28 2018, 10:23 AM.
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I guess so, but I should say even among working sled dogs Siberian huskies are fairly uncommon. Mixes like Alaskan huskies and Eurohounds dominate the sport nowadays.
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Even 120kg is a good size, so that is impressive regardless. I still have the problem however, with that the AWD likely harassed the animal for hours until it could get a good fatal blow in. I don't expect it to attack a healthy individual head on like a Catch Dog would. But impressive regardless.

"So in geneal, all the working specimens (and I include the Mongrols and the Greenland sled dogs as well, not sure if that is allowed or reasonable),"
Edited by Ryo, Mar 28 2018, 10:29 AM.
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I think very few wild canids would attack any large animal with the reckless abandon of the average catch dog, they are usually very cautious animals. In a world without vets, and where any injury would make getting food and avoiding becoming food for something else more difficult, it would be foolish to do so. Still, with their agility and very powerful bites, I think even single wild dogs could kill some impressive animals without having to tire it out too much. It's very hard to actually find such an account, though.
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I'm a bit late, yes I am aware any large dog can infect terrible damage on a toy breed. I was just giving insight into a husky's prey drive and how it could play out in a fight. But imo the AWDs jaws are the most impressive of the two, seeing how they disembowel their prey. I say the AWD wins more times than not, but it won't be a easy win for either dog.

https://youtu.be/Ol8APpim0sc

Once again, just a bit of insight. Not saying the AWD is going to grab the Husky by the nose as soon as this fight starts lol.
Edited by K9 Bite, Mar 28 2018, 12:12 PM.
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The reason I showed the vid of the Husky killing the Poodle to begin with was due to how quick it was. It was a surprise to me, since we have no shortage of vids where large guard dogs attack smaller dogs or animals, taking long to kill them. Maybe a lack of experience, maybe they played with them more than they tried to kill them, but this kill literally took 5 seconds. I put it in the slowest motion and counted lol. It is just very rare for me to see something that is assumingly an every day pet dog, making such a precise kill. Completely pinned the Poodle, quickly and swiftly. I just don't in general see that in many dog encounters.
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If the awd wins it will be because its quicker and more agile and able to inflict terrible wounds quickly with its slashing bite style.

If the husky wins it will be because its stronger and it will overpower and pin down the awd in a close quarter engagement, and then yeah it actually does retain a natural killer instinct, a lot of people don't understand the early days of sled dogs involved them being released to look after themselves and catch their own prey during the summer. That was the traditional relationship Inuit villagers had with dogs for over 10 000 years so they're accurately thought of as semi wild by nature.

I "have no dog in this fight", just want to clear that up. Well I like the awd a lot more, truth be told.
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