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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 30 2018, 01:21 PM (1,799 Views) | |
| Taipan | Mar 30 2018, 01:21 PM Post #1 |
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Dingo - Canis l. dingo The Australian Dingo is a free-roaming wild dog unique to the continent of Australia, mainly found in the outback. Its original ancestors are thought to have arrived with humans from southeast Asia thousands of years ago, when dogs were still relatively undomesticated and closer to their wild Asian gray wolf parent species, Canis lupus. Since then, living largely apart from people and other dogs, together with the demands of Australian ecology, has caused them to develop features and instincts that distinguish them from all other canines. Dingoes have maintained ancient characteristics that unite them, along with other primitive dogs, into a taxon named after them, Canis lupus dingo, and has separated them from the domestic dog, Canis lupus familiaris. Dingoes have a relatively broad head, a pointed muzzle, and erect ears. Eye colour varies from yellow over orange to brown. Compared to other similarly sized familiaris dogs, dingoes have longer muzzles, larger carnassials, longer canine teeth, and a flatter skull with larger nuchal lines. The average Australian Dingo is 52 to 60 cm (20 to 24 in) tall at the shoulders and measures 117 to 154 cm (46 to 61 in) from nose to tail tip. The average weight is 13 to 20 kg (29 to 44 lb), however there are a few records of outsized dingoes weighing up to 27 to 35 kg (60 to 77 lb). Males are typically larger and heavier than females of the same age. Dingoes from the North and the North-West of Australia are larger than Central and South-Australian populations. Australian dingoes are invariably heavier than Asian ones. The legs are about half the length of the body and the head put together. The hind feet make up a third of the hind legs and have no dewclaws. Dingoes can have sabre-form tails (typically carried erect with a curve towards the back) or tails which are carried directly on the back. ![]() Red Kangaroo - Macropus rufus The red kangaroo (Macropus rufus) is the largest of all kangaroos, the largest mammal native to Australia, and the largest surviving marsupial. It is found across mainland Australia, avoiding only the more fertile areas in the south, the east coast, and the northern rainforests. Red Kangaroos have a white facial stripe from the corner of the mouth towards the ear. The amount of hairless rhinarium (skin on the tip of the nose) is dusky coloured and intermediate between the narrow band of Grey Kangaroos and the broad one of Euros. Males continue to grow through life and may reach 90 kg in weight. A 92 kg male was caught at Stubberfields Tank in Sturt National Park and this remains the largest individual in the many studies on this species. Males are typically red coloured (lighter in summer and dark rusty red in winter). Females may grow to 40 kg but usually range around 25-30 kg. They are typically blue-grey. However, the colouration of the two sexes grades into each other with small percentage of grey males and red females and some intermediate shades. To confirm the sex of an individual you need to view the abdomen where the pouch opening of females or the scrotum of males is usually obvious. ![]()
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 30 2018, 01:58 PM Post #2 |
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Red kangaroo wins. According to this book source, even large grey kangaroos can do it: Source: Large grey kangaroos can fight off dingoes |
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| 221Extra | Mar 30 2018, 02:01 PM Post #3 |
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Unless there is a body of water nearby for the roo to drown the dingo, I'd favor the dingo. |
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 30 2018, 02:06 PM Post #4 |
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Wallaroo defeats dingo larger than itself! Video: Kangaroo fends off dingo A young wallaroo can do it! A 200 lb male red would trace a dingo. He would be a match for two dingoes. Edited by Ursus 21, Mar 31 2018, 01:48 AM.
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| CanineCanis | Mar 30 2018, 03:28 PM Post #5 |
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Only solitary dingoes were seen to chase and catch kangaroos, but kangaroo carcasses were often shared. ... During radiotracking and groundwork we found 72 kangaroos (68 red and 4 western greys) killed by dingoes. ... Male kangaroos made up 42.6% of this total. Source: Marsack, "Feeding Behaviour and Diet of Dingoes in the Nullarbor Region, Western Australia" Aust. Wildl. Res., 1990, 17, 349-57 Dingoes have a 5.5% success rate when hunting Red Kangaroos alone (vs 19% when hunting in packs). Source = Carnivores of the World. When have kangaroos killed dogs without drowning them? Only way I’ve heard of kangaroos actually killing dogs is by drowning. As of right now, I’m 50/50 Edited by CanineCanis, Mar 30 2018, 03:32 PM.
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| Grazier | Mar 30 2018, 04:07 PM Post #6 |
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Kangaroos CAN fend off dingoes, they also CAN be killed by them one on one. The roo actually killing the dingo would be extremely unlikely. Kangaroos are a bit like deer in that they actually die by way of dog pretty easily. Top boomer specimens of big red males would probably be a bit much for most dingoes most of the time, like any perfectly prime prey animal and their predator. |
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 30 2018, 04:23 PM Post #7 |
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Dingoes almost exclusively target small females and joeys. They are very unlikely to tackle adults even in packs: Dingos prey primarily on juvenile kangaroos or smaller adult females (Shepherd 1981) In one 7-week study, 5 dingos killed 83 red kangaroos, 80 of which were juveniles Other studies by Newsome et al. (1973) and Whitehouse (1977) suggest red kangaroos were a major part of dingo diets Kill rates by dingos of red kangaroos have potential to limit rate of increase of kangaroo's population by direct predation May not eat all of each red kangaroo they kill; reasons for overkill unknown Kangaroos develop knowledge of dingos' intent, much as do prey species of the African lions (Shepherd 1981) Large male red kangaroos appear indifferent to the dingo's presence All kangaroos seem to know when dingos aren't actively hunting and pay little attention to them at such times Source: Red kangaroo - Fact sheet Your sources do not mention any adults being killed.
Cool, lets see the account.
In a real-life situation yes, because the dingo could just run away. But this is a hypothetical fight to the death, therefore that has no relevance. Here are some big male roos: ![]() ![]() ![]() The dingo is a hunter who targets small female kangaroos or joeys in packs. People who favour a lone dingo over a big male red kangaroo in a face-to-face fight clearly have no concept of what they are dealing with. Edited by Ursus 21, Mar 30 2018, 05:07 PM.
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| K9 Bite | Mar 30 2018, 11:10 PM Post #8 |
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I agree with the following, a adult red Kangaroo can get as tall as a adult human male and it stands on it's hind legs, it's head far away from the ground. This already makes attempts to kill it very hard for the dingo. I'm not sure if kangroos have the abilty to choke their opponet, but they certainly can grapple them: https://youtu.be/FIRT7lf8byw That dog looked like it was struggling to get free from that grasp. I can't ignore the possibility of the dingo performing the old bite and dash on the roo, so I'm undecided right now on who's has the better chances. But the roo has many advantages. |
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| Ryo | Mar 31 2018, 12:44 AM Post #9 |
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![]() ![]() The dogs head seems puffed up, likely because it cannot breathe. And this appears to be a Grey Kangaroo. And to think this is a pig dog, one of the more raw power based breeds, likely stronger but less agile than that of the Dingo. Here is a vid of a Kangaroo choking out another Kangaroo. I generally view Red Roos as slightly more impressive than most Deer their size. Which is odd, since I generally heavily favor Placental mammals over Marsupials, despite having a great interest in Marsupials. Edited by Ryo, Mar 31 2018, 12:46 AM.
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 31 2018, 12:49 AM Post #10 |
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Great stuff Ryo! The red kangaroo should definitely be favoured here.
I found the story behind this image: This photo shows what I've just told you. I've heard stories how they've disemboweled a dog or the wounds have been that severe they had to be put down. I've also heard stories where the dog didn't return and it was never known what had happened to him. Your left wondering if someone found him and kept him. I think the main reason was they'd been ripped bad and bled out before they could get back. Source: Kangaroo kicks dog
Here's the story behind this image: As you can see in the photo, the dogs in trouble. The big male kangaroo has unreal power in the front arms and there's no way the dog will break free of this. It's when the roo has got this grip, he will stand upright, balancing on the end of his tail he'll bring the big hind legs up between himself and the dog and kick downwards, also they throttle them. You can see the dogs face is puffed up and he was unable to breathe, in or out. I persuaded the roo to let go, with a piece of wood. Source: Kangaroo strangles dog Edited by Ursus 21, Mar 31 2018, 12:59 AM.
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| CanineCanis | Mar 31 2018, 12:58 AM Post #11 |
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@Ursus 21 Different study A good percentage were male kangaroos Your study only shows what they do in packs Dingoes have a 5.5% success rate when hunting Red Kangaroos alone (vs 19% when hunting in packs). Source = Carnivores of the World. I myself, wouldn’t favor a Dingo over an adult red more times then not however However we have evidence of Dingoes killing red kangaroos, you DO NOT have evidence of kangaroos killing Dingoes Also kangaroos seem to be the only animals running away https://youtu.be/fMYLXcHI0Sk Since you want to post impressive kangaroo specimens ![]() ![]() (Credit to FelinePowah)Dingo skull (credit to Vita) ![]() ![]() Btw Dingoes can reach large weights 100 pound dingoes http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2736343 DINGO SHOT AT TUMBARUMBA A dingo, which is believed to have killed £1,000 worth of sheep during the last seven years, has been shot at Tumbarumba. The animal weighed 100 lb. and measured six feet from tip to tip. Its age was estimated at 13 years. It had killed 100 sheep in the last two months. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4737089 LARGE DINGO CAUGHT. Said to Have Killed 300 Sheep. BENALLA, Friday-A large dingo, weighing more than 100lb and which was said to have destrojed 300 sheep in the Mansfield, Lima and Swanpool districts, was trapped by Messrs W Dale and Wil- cox on the property of Mr F Price, at Lima South. The animal has been so de- structive during the last two months that the Farmers, and Graziers' Association of fered £15 for its head, the Mansfield Shire Council £5, and, with other rewards, the amount reached £30 They are very agile animals TEN WALLABIES DEAD ATTACKED BY DINGO AT ZOOLOGICAL GARDENS ESCAPED FROM ENCLOSURE A young dingo killed 10 wallabies in the Australian section of the Zoological Gar- dens at the week-end. On Sundov night when the dingo attacked the wallabies, four were killed outright, five died from in- juries, and the tenth - a baby in the pouch - had to be destroyed because its mother mother had been killed After the culprit Bobbv a thrce-vcar old dingo had been captured vesterday attendants at the Zoological Gardens were Involved In the pursuit through trees and ever fences of a koala which seized advantage of the commotion to try to escape The dingo forced its way through an old wire fence and rushed at a number of Bennetts wallabies killing three of the largest Five terrified young ones escaped under the back fence The dingo then tackled the next enclosure the abode oi | the red-necked wallabies and bit and torc .Its way through the dividing wire But I red-necks arc made of sterner stuff One I of them was killed in a hard struggle and another was severely mauled The five I young wallabies that escaped died later I Shortly after dawn yesterday attend 1 ants found the exhausted dingo licking | itself contentedly in one of the cnclo . sures. Three attendants captured the I anima' with a contrivance specially prc I pared for the occasion The dingo escaped once before when it I was first brought to the Zoologicil Gar- dens and was placed in an enclosure with a chain wire fence Dft in heigl t Officials were puzzled yesterday as to how the dingo had escaped but thev will take steps to ensure that it does not cause any further trouble The bodies of the walla- bies will bo sent to the museum where they will be preserved After the koala had escaped a pur- suit with nets and nooses followed and the animal was eventually captured by means of a gum-tip bait The koala will i be returned to the Healesville sanctuary http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11873112 Oh also, even more large dingoes. One measuring 8ft long. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1300&dat=19360611&id=f-xjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=S5UDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4051,4512608 http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19640526&id=AgxiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TuYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2025,8265297 http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19330929&id=NfVUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ZEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5476,3240066 I’d bet my money a Dingo of that size over any red kangaroo any day of the week ![]() Unless it’s some 300 pound freak kangaroo, otherwise I’m in trouble |
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| Ryo | Mar 31 2018, 01:08 AM Post #12 |
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Why are you posting feral dogs in this thread? |
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| CanineCanis | Mar 31 2018, 01:14 AM Post #13 |
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What do you mean sir |
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 31 2018, 01:20 AM Post #14 |
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Yes but my question was were any adults killed? I live in Australia and I pride myself on being knowledgeable about our native wildlife, I would be shocked to learn that a dingo could kill an adult male red kangaroo, and I don't think it can.
You don't have evidence of a lone dingo killing an adult male kangaroo, even from the smaller eastern subspecies. There are also accounts of kangaroos beating large dogs that were posted above.
Unreliable. Do not trust these old newspapers for hunting records. Otherwise you might as well believe in a 1 tonne grizzly: One tonne girzzly Electronic scales weren't even invented in the time that account was published. I wouldn't say a 100 lb dingo is impossible, I just have a natural skepticism for old hunting records.
Seriously, not even the largest grey wolf got to 8 feet long. You need to be more critical of these sources. Most dingoes are about half that length. Do you realise that an 8 foot dingo could barely sustain itself in Australia? We don't have enough large prey here to support a pack of 8 foot long animals. Other than crocodiles, all of our predators are quite small.
Thank-you for reminding me that dogs have sharp teeth. Look at the claws of a grey kangaroo: ![]() ![]()
My curly-coated retrievers are bulkier than that. These images aren't photoshopped: ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by Ursus 21, Mar 31 2018, 01:55 AM.
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| 221Extra | Mar 31 2018, 01:35 AM Post #15 |
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Has a roo killed a dingo before? They're obviously capable, but would the dingo be as dumb as that boar dog to just charge into a Roo's headlock, I think not. These accounts definitely show the roo is capable, but does it mean a victory over a cunning dingo? That has yet to be proven, imo. |
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