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Dingo v Red Kangaroo
Topic Started: Mar 30 2018, 01:21 PM (1,803 Views)
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Dingo - Canis l. dingo
The Australian Dingo is a free-roaming wild dog unique to the continent of Australia, mainly found in the outback. Its original ancestors are thought to have arrived with humans from southeast Asia thousands of years ago, when dogs were still relatively undomesticated and closer to their wild Asian gray wolf parent species, Canis lupus. Since then, living largely apart from people and other dogs, together with the demands of Australian ecology, has caused them to develop features and instincts that distinguish them from all other canines. Dingoes have maintained ancient characteristics that unite them, along with other primitive dogs, into a taxon named after them, Canis lupus dingo, and has separated them from the domestic dog, Canis lupus familiaris. Dingoes have a relatively broad head, a pointed muzzle, and erect ears. Eye colour varies from yellow over orange to brown. Compared to other similarly sized familiaris dogs, dingoes have longer muzzles, larger carnassials, longer canine teeth, and a flatter skull with larger nuchal lines. The average Australian Dingo is 52 to 60 cm (20 to 24 in) tall at the shoulders and measures 117 to 154 cm (46 to 61 in) from nose to tail tip. The average weight is 13 to 20 kg (29 to 44 lb), however there are a few records of outsized dingoes weighing up to 27 to 35 kg (60 to 77 lb). Males are typically larger and heavier than females of the same age. Dingoes from the North and the North-West of Australia are larger than Central and South-Australian populations. Australian dingoes are invariably heavier than Asian ones. The legs are about half the length of the body and the head put together. The hind feet make up a third of the hind legs and have no dewclaws. Dingoes can have sabre-form tails (typically carried erect with a curve towards the back) or tails which are carried directly on the back.

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Red Kangaroo - Macropus rufus
The red kangaroo (Macropus rufus) is the largest of all kangaroos, the largest mammal native to Australia, and the largest surviving marsupial. It is found across mainland Australia, avoiding only the more fertile areas in the south, the east coast, and the northern rainforests. Red Kangaroos have a white facial stripe from the corner of the mouth towards the ear. The amount of hairless rhinarium (skin on the tip of the nose) is dusky coloured and intermediate between the narrow band of Grey Kangaroos and the broad one of Euros. Males continue to grow through life and may reach 90 kg in weight. A 92 kg male was caught at Stubberfields Tank in Sturt National Park and this remains the largest individual in the many studies on this species. Males are typically red coloured (lighter in summer and dark rusty red in winter). Females may grow to 40 kg but usually range around 25-30 kg. They are typically blue-grey. However, the colouration of the two sexes grades into each other with small percentage of grey males and red females and some intermediate shades. To confirm the sex of an individual you need to view the abdomen where the pouch opening of females or the scrotum of males is usually obvious.

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Hash Slinging Slasher
Mar 29 2018, 05:59 AM
People, this section is not for debate. Go to the kangaroo vs dingo thread (if there isn't one, then request it or make it yourself in the fantasy and fiction face off section).

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You’re an Aussie? I never knew

That was gonna be my last “major” post of the thread anyway, as I figured there was no point in debating if we agree who would win.

Also I’ll take your advice on sources

Red kangaroo wins this fight

EDIT: Also I would never question how bulky red kangaroos are, I’ve seen them at my local zoo and they make me look like a skinny school paper lol, I am only 14, but I’m particularly big and strong for my size, and they make me look like a wimp
Edited by CanineCanis, Mar 31 2018, 01:41 AM.
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Mar 31 2018, 01:35 AM
Has a roo killed a dingo before? They're obviously capable, but would the dingo be as dumb as that boar dog to just charge into a Roo's headlock, I think not. These accounts definitely show the roo is capable, but does it mean a victory over a cunning dingo? That has yet to be proven, imo.
221Extra, with all due respect, I cannot see why you would favour a 70 lb dingo over a 200 lb male red kangaroo.

Especially after you've acknowledged the accounts posted here, which prove that kangaroos fare well against canids.
Edited by Ursus 21, Mar 31 2018, 01:48 AM.
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But 221Extra does have a point there...a lot of domestic boar dogs get manhandled due to their nature to just charge to the animal. A boar can not grapple so that strategy works excellent there. But a Kangaroo, primate, or felid can. Dingos, being wild canids, are more reluctant to just charge head on and will weigh their opponet. It would try to bite and dash till it tires the roo just enough to aim for a more vital area. Not favoring the dingo over the roo but I'm saying the capability is there and we shouldn't completely expect for the dingo to be deadlocked as quickly as the domestic dog examples.
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Kangaroo. Dingoes probably can only hunt them through packs. Alone though the dingo would have difficulty.
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Ursus 21
Mar 31 2018, 12:49 AM
Great stuff Ryo!

The red kangaroo should definitely be favoured here.

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I found the story behind this image:

This photo shows what I've just told you. I've heard stories how they've disemboweled a dog or the wounds have been that severe they had to be put down. I've also heard stories where the dog didn't return and it was never known what had happened to him. Your left wondering if someone found him and kept him. I think the main reason was they'd been ripped bad and bled out before they could get back.

Source: Kangaroo kicks dog

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Here's the story behind this image:

As you can see in the photo, the dogs in trouble. The big male kangaroo has unreal power in the front arms and there's no way the dog will break free of this. It's when the roo has got this grip, he will stand upright, balancing on the end of his tail he'll bring the big hind legs up between himself and the dog and kick downwards, also they throttle them. You can see the dogs face is puffed up and he was unable to breathe, in or out. I persuaded the roo to let go, with a piece of wood.

Source: Kangaroo strangles dog

Great photos. That's certainly impressive, immobilizing a bulldog type.

That dog had a lot of heart but it's not very bright. We can argue it has the strength to kill one if it targeted the head but eh, grippers gonna grip.
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As far as I know a dingo is pretty small in average size. An average male kangaroo could beat one pretty bad in a serious confrontation. I mean the difference in strength would be very noticeable.
I cant imagine the dingo getting such a lucky bite it kills the kangaroo before getting stomped into a mess.
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Mar 31 2018, 01:14 AM
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Mar 31 2018, 01:08 AM
Why are you posting feral dogs in this thread?
What do you mean sir
Dingoe are at the moment going extinct due to hybridising with domestic feral dogs, which have on average made them 3-5kg larger. I once read a study, that the Dingo skull generally remain the same in feral dogs that have cross bred with Dingoes, which just makes the new feral dog itself even bigger, so it depends on if we allow Dingo-like feral dogs to be taken into consideration in these match ups, like some of the bulkier specimens you posted. Dingoes can be robust, but it could be difficult to find a reliable impressive specimen that couldn't be suspected for being a cross breed with a more bulky dog.
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Something to understand about boar dogs, all farm dogs in Australia actually, is its standard for them to be "roo proof" which means doesn't attack roos. Forbidden from attacking roos and knows it, trained/conditioned whatever you want to not attack roos. This isn't done out of the goodness of outback redneck hearts, its done because there are SO many kangaroos every where and a dog interested in chasing them won't get anything else done. If you have a dog in the outback that isn't roo proof people will laugh at you like you're a complete moron, it will be shocking to them and a great source of shame for you. I have no doubt there'd be lots of cases of dogs being shot for chasing kangaroos and embarrassing their owner. Its not as gravely serious as a dog that isn't stock proof, its just ridiculous that you would try and hunt with a dog that isn't roo proof.

So when these cases of dogs getting in headlocks pop up in Australian hunting forums everyone automatically knows exactly what's going on - a dumb dog wasn't fully roo proof, it couldn't resist getting a closer look at the roo when it thought no one was watching. But this is very different to a dog wanting to actually attack and kill a roo, like the old roo dogs. They just run in and kill them. These are dogs knowing they're not allowed to attack roos getting too close. Then when the owner shows up they have a look on their face like "I didn't do nothing, please don't shoot me or kick my guts in".

I'm sorry to break it to you but if these boar dogs were allowed and encouraged to attack roos they'd kill them constantly and frequently and easily. They'd just never catch any pigs. Its called Australia before the 70s (and partly during).

The world looks at a dog in a headlock and delineates all stuff about roo vs dog without understanding one is forbidden from fighting.

What I will say though is obviously the roo has instinctive techniques for dealing with canines, the headlock and the drowning technique both nondoubt honed over thousands of years of fighting off dingoes. Its like any predator/prey relationship, the prey has to be able to defend itself or how else could it exist. But yeah against a pig dog would be very VERY different if the pig dog actually partook in the predation attempt. We had roo dogs for over a century killing roos by the thousands and they were no where near as powerful as pig dogs, it wasn't required.
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The world looks at a dog in a headlock and delineates all stuff about roo vs dog without understanding one is forbidden from fighting.


Or the world just understands that roos can be dangerous and can slash up and put a stupid dog in a full Nelson.

I'm not saying dogs are stupid, but that one in particular was. lol
Edited by Vita, Mar 31 2018, 07:11 AM.
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Yes it was. That was my argument.
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Two Staffies (absolutely shit breed of dog, that is so overrated on this forum) v a Grey Kangaroo:



"This happened on our (Southern Highlands) property yesterday, the 2 staffies had trapped the 'old grey' in the dam. It appeared to be stressed and tired so had probably been in there for some time. Defending itself the roo has a go at drowning the dogs. The dogs wound up bailing up the roo at the entrance of a large wombat burrow, before we saw them off. As a footnote if you live in the southern highlands (2577) and recognise these dogs as yours, please know that if we see them on or near our property again, we will shoot them."

Hopefully the dogs were shot agro
Edited by Taipan, Mar 31 2018, 09:30 PM.
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While I disagree with Taipan on the faeces breed part, it is a very interesting video, since it shows how effective the grappling of a smaller older Grey Kangaroo is. Atleast in water. While the Staffies didn't exactly pull a "Pitbull" rush on it, they still attacked and bit it, and when they did, the Roo very effective grapped them with its front limbs and pulled them under water, 1 by 1. So it wasn't bad at fighting multiple opponents at once, which I suspected it would.
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You're not a big fan of bully type dogs are you Taipan? Lol
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Cool vid, and yes water is a game changer. Although to the dogs credit they survived the drowning and probably would have ultimately killed the roo near the "wombat burrow" briefly after the vid if it weren't for human intervention.

Typical humans always helping wild animals against dogs.

I think sbts are faeces too btw but probably for different reasons. Taipan would hate them because he's a wimp while I hate them because they are wimps, if that makes sense (rhetorical question, it does).
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What makes you think sbts are whimps? Just out of curiosity.
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