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| Giant Ice Age Bison v Pygmy Mammoth | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 30 2018, 01:29 PM (365 Views) | |
| Taipan | Mar 30 2018, 01:29 PM Post #1 |
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Giant Ice Age Bison - Bison latifrons Bison latifrons is an extinct species of bison that lived in North America during the Pleistocene. Also known as the giant bison, it reached a shoulder height of 2.5 metres (8.5 feet), and had horns that spanned over 2 metres (6.5 feet). The known dimensions of the species are much larger than either extant species of bison (it was approximately twice the body size) and other extant large bovids, and B. latifrons may be the largest bovid in the fossil record. Researchers estimate the weight of Giant Bison between 2,500 pounds (1,125 kilograms) and 4,000 pounds (1,800 kilograms). ![]() Pygmy Mammoth - Mammuthus exilis The pygmy mammoth or Channel Islands mammoth (Mammuthus exilis) is an extinct species of dwarf elephant descended from the Columbian mammoth (M. columbi). A case of island or insular dwarfism, from a recent analysis in 2010 it was determined that M. exilis was on average, 1.72 m (5.6 ft) tall at the shoulders and 760 kg (1,680 lb) in weight, in stark contrast to its 4.3 m (14 ft) tall, 9,070 kg (20,000 lb) ancestor. Another estimate gives a shoulder height of 2.02 m (6.6 ft) and a weight of 1,350 kg (2,980 lb). Remains of M. exilis have been discovered on three of the northern Channel Islands of California since 1856: Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa, and San Miguel, which together with Anacapa were the highest portions of the now mostly submerged superisland of Santa Rosae. The late Pleistocene elephant may have lived on the islands until the arrival of the Chumash people during the early Holocene, between 10,800 and 11,300 years ago. Radiocarbon dating indicates M. exilis existed on the island for at least 47,000 years prior (which is the approximate limit of the dating method). ![]()
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| Lightning | Mar 30 2018, 07:54 PM Post #2 |
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Bison wins, he's way bigger than the mammoth. |
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 30 2018, 08:07 PM Post #3 |
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I agree. The mammoth is estimated to be substantially smaller; I back the larger herbivore here. |
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| Mammuthus | Mar 30 2018, 09:28 PM Post #4 |
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The largest Pygmy mammoth remains belong to an individual estimated at 2.3 metres at the shoulder and 2 tonnes in weight which is certainly within the weight range of the Bison. Anyway I may favour the Mammoth. The Bisons horns just don’t seem ideal for goring the Proboscidean as they stick out the side too much making them very unideal for the job. The Mammoth on the other hand has tusks that seem capable of delivering decent damage. Edited by Mammuthus, Mar 31 2018, 06:37 AM.
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| Caius | Mar 31 2018, 11:59 AM Post #5 |
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^ That would be what I was thinking. The mammoth may be smaller and would probably get knocked around more often than not but it's tusks are in a far more ideal position to gore the bison. The mammoth has the edge in that regard, but if the bison can avoid the tusks then I don't see the mammoth faring too well. |
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| Mammuthus | Mar 31 2018, 07:33 PM Post #6 |
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I am still very dubious about the Bison having a size advantage here, the Mammoth certainly falls within the weight range of the Bison. |
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| Ursus 21 | Apr 2 2018, 04:57 PM Post #7 |
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How big do you think the largest bison latifrons would have been? I imagine even bigger. I also theorise that it could turn its head to the side in order to stick one horn in the mammoth's body. What do you think?
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