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| Asian Elephant v Spinosaurus aegyptiacus | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 3 2018, 08:14 PM (275 Views) | |
| Taipan | Apr 3 2018, 08:14 PM Post #1 |
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Asian Elephant - Elephas maximus The Asian or Asiatic elephant (Elephas maximus) is the only living species of the genus Elephas and distributed in Southeast Asia from India in the west to Borneo in the east. Three subspecies are recognized — Elephas maximus maximus from Sri Lanka, the Indian elephant or E. m. indicus from mainland Asia, and E. m. sumatranus from the island of Sumatra. Asian elephants are the largest living land animals in Asia. In general, Asian elephants are smaller than African elephants and have the highest body point on the head. Their back is convex or level. Their ears are small with dorsal borders folded laterally. They have up to 20 pairs of ribs and 34 caudal vertebrae. Their feet have more nail-like structures than the ones of African elephants — five on each forefoot, and four on each hind foot. On average, males are about 2.75 m (9.0 ft) tall at the shoulder and 4 t (4.4 short tons) in weight, while females are smaller at about 2.4 m (7.9 ft) at the shoulder and 2.7 t (3.0 short tons) in weight. Length of body and head including trunk is 5.5–6.5 m (18–21 ft) with the tail being 1.2–1.5 m (3.9–4.9 ft) long. The largest bull elephant ever recorded was shot by the Maharajah of Susang in the Garo Hills of Assam, India in 1924, it weighed 7 t (7.7 short tons), stood 3.43 m (11.3 ft) tall at the shoulder and was 8.06 m (26.4 ft) long from head to tail. There are reports of larger individuals as tall as 3.7 m (12 ft). ![]() Spinosaurus aegyptiacus Spinosaurus is a genus of theropod dinosaur which lived in what is now North Africa, from the lower Albian to lower Cenomanian stages of the Cretaceous period, about 112 to 97 million years ago. Spinosaurus may be the largest of all known carnivorous dinosaurs, even larger than Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus. Estimates published in 2005 and 2007 suggest that it was 12.6 to 18 metres (41 to 59 ft) in length and 7 to 20.9 tonnes (7.7 to 23.0 short tons) in weight. The skull of Spinosaurus was long and narrow like that of a modern crocodilian. Spinosaurus is thought to have eaten fish; evidence suggests that it lived both on land and in water like a modern crocodilian. The distinctive spines of Spinosaurus, which were long extensions of the vertebrae, grew to at least 1.65 meters (5.4 ft) long and were likely to have had skin connecting them, forming a sail-like structure, although some authors have suggested that the spines were covered in fat and formed a hump. Multiple functions have been put forward for this structure, including thermoregulation and display. Dal Sasso et al. (2005) assumed that Spinosaurus and Suchomimus had the same body proportions in relation to their skull lengths, and thereby calculated that Spinosaurus was 16 to 18 meters (52 to 59 ft) in length and 7 to 9 tonnes (7.7 to 9.9 short tons) in weight. The Dal Sasso et al. estimates were criticized because the skull length estimate was uncertain, and (assuming that body mass increases as the cube of body length) scaling Suchomimus which was 11 meters (36 ft) long and 3.8 tonnes (4.2 short tons) in mass to the range of estimated lengths of Spinosaurus would produce an estimated body mass of 11.7 to 16.7 tonnes (12.9 to 18.4 short tons). ![]()
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| Lightning | Apr 3 2018, 09:34 PM Post #2 |
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The spinosaurus has enough size advantage to win this. |
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| Kazanshin | Apr 3 2018, 11:35 PM Post #3 |
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I'm not sure about this one. I believe a big bull asian elephant could pull this off, but the average asian elephant has a 3 ton disadvantage. I guess the spino would have no way of stopping the elephant if it charged at it and rammed it, but I do't recall elephants doing so against similarly sized animals. Any size comparisons, Mammuthus? |
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| Mammuthus | Apr 4 2018, 12:08 AM Post #4 |
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Honestly I don’t know. The Theropod has the size advantage, it also has its long claws that could deliver decent damage to the Elephant. The Elephant on the other hand does have a stability advantage, and well its more adept on land than the Spinosaurus. I guess the Elephants best option is to use that stability and manuverbility advantage to knock the Theropod over and gore it with its tusks. And I do agree with Kazanshin in that the Spinosaurus would seriously struggle to deal with a ram from the Elephant.
None of an Asian elephant and Spinosaurus however I made one with an African bush elephant and Spino: https://i.imgur.com/DdroT9b.png |
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| Lightning | Apr 4 2018, 12:31 AM Post #5 |
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At equal weights, I'd favour the elephant because spinosaurus was mainly a water dweller and its weapons are not suitable for killing equal sized animals but 7 tons vs 4 tons is too much weight advantage. I'm not too sure about the elephant being able to knock the much larger theropod over either. And I think the spinosaurus would have greater durability too due to its size and I've heard other members on dinosaur threads talking about how theropods had really impressive durability. By the way, in real life, an elephant would just run from a spinosaurus. I've seen lone, injured lions making adult elephants feel uncomfortable. If you use a larger-than-average elephant, you should also use a larger-than-average spinosaurus. Edited by Lightning, Apr 4 2018, 12:36 AM.
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| Mammuthus | Apr 4 2018, 01:16 AM Post #6 |
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Well yes but at the same time Elephants have been observed standing up to Lion prides and charging into heaps of people and not feeling scared at all. And plus, it the Elephant runs away from the Spinosaurus then well, the fight won’t happen so this matchup is of course hypothetical where both are willing to fight. |
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