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| Tamaraw (Mindoro Pygmy Buffalo) v Eastern Gorilla | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 13 2018, 08:55 AM (427 Views) | |
| Taipan | Apr 13 2018, 08:55 AM Post #1 |
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Tamaraw (Mindoro Pygmy Buffalo) - Bubalus mindorensis The tamaraw is the largest mammal native to the Philippines, and also has the distinction of being one of the rarest mammals in existence. It is a small buffalo that resembles the Asiatic water buffalo (Bubalus mindorensis) in many ways except size . It has a robust body with dark brown to greyish-black hair and short, stocky legs. Stout, powerful horns, measuring up to 51 centimetres, grow in a āVā shape from the forehead, have a triangular cross-section and are covered with coarse grooves. A greyish-white stripe runs from the inner corner of the eye outwards and greyish-white patches are also found on the legs and neck. Tamaraw calves are born reddish-brown and attain the same colour as adults in about five years. Size: Head-body length: 2.2 m Shoulder height: 1 m Weight: 220 ā 300 kg ![]() Eastern Gorilla - Gorilla beringei The eastern gorilla (Gorilla beringei) is a species of the genus Gorilla and the largest living primate. At present, the species is subdivided into two subspecies. The eastern lowland gorilla (G. b. graueri) is the most populous, at about 5,000 individuals. The mountain gorilla (G. b. beringei) has only about 700 individuals. The eastern gorilla is a large hominid with a large head, broad chest, and long arms. It has a flat nose with large nostrils. The face, hands, feet and breast are bald. The fur is mainly black, but adult males have a silvery "saddle" on their back. When the gorilla gets older, the entire fur becomes grayish, much like the gray hair of elderly people. This is why the older males are sometimes called Silverbacks. The eastern lowland gorilla has a shorter, thicker, deep black fur, while the mountain gorilla has a more bluish color. The mountain gorilla is slightly smaller and lighter than the eastern lowland gorilla, but still slightly larger than the western lowland gorilla. Males are much larger than females. A full-grown adult male Eastern gorilla weighs an average of 195 kg (430 lb) and stands 1.7 m (5.6 ft) upright and a female typically weighs 100 kg (220 lb) and stands 1.4 m (4.6 ft). The tallest silverback recorded was a 1.94-metre (6.4 ft) individual shot in Alimbongo, northern Kivu in May 1938. The heaviest gorilla recorded was a 1.83-metre (6.0 ft) silverback shot in Ambam, Cameroon which weighed about 266 kilograms (590 lb), although the latter area is within the range of the western gorilla, far outside that of the eastern gorilla. ![]()
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| Kazanshin | Apr 13 2018, 05:15 PM Post #2 |
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Pretty odd matchup. I believe the gorilla can win if it can bring the tamaraw to the ground, but otherwise, the bigger tamaraw will come out on top. I would say about 70/30 for the tamaraw. |
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| Lightning | Apr 13 2018, 10:40 PM Post #3 |
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I think the gorilla will win The tamaraw is bigger but the gorilla has better weapons. The tamaraw's horns face backwards and, hence, are less suitable for stabbing. The gorilla can grapple with its hands and has a powerful bite too. Also, gorillas are tough fighters: http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/30203737/ |
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| Ursus 21 | Apr 13 2018, 10:53 PM Post #4 |
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Ah, but the buffalo can lower his head to face his horns outwards, thus they can be used as stabbing weapons. People in Assam frequently organise fights between domestic water buffalo and the effectiveness of their horns can easily be seen. I won't post any pictures of these spectacles but I can show you a sample of it: Thanks for publicising my thread! Edited by Ursus 21, Apr 14 2018, 12:20 AM.
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| Lightning | Apr 14 2018, 12:19 AM Post #5 |
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I see but I'd still give a slight edge to the gorilla. The taramaw is about 30% heavier at average weights but it lacks grappling ability whereas a gorilla has really good grappling ability with his primate hands. Also, if a gorilla can puncture the skull of another gorilla with a bite, the bite would be really damaging to the taramaw as well. I've seen the video and understand that the taramaw can use its horns effectively, so you might want to delete the video now since it's animal cruelty and against the rules. |
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| Mammuthus | Apr 14 2018, 04:10 AM Post #6 |
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I struggle to picture the Gorilla battering a Bovine 90kgs heavier than itself, a skull bite seems like the most viable strategy. I know the Bovines horns aren't the most ideal for goring so using that weight advantage to trample the Gorilla seems like the best strategy. |
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| Vivyx | Apr 14 2018, 04:55 AM Post #7 |
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I back the tamaraw more often than not, but it'd be a tough fight. |
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| Mammuthus | Apr 14 2018, 05:56 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah I agree, the Bovine should prevail. |
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| Lightning | Apr 14 2018, 06:06 AM Post #9 |
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The average tamaraw is 60kg heavier than the average gorilla, not 90kg. 60kg would be a massive difference in a fight between 2 humans but, in a fight between 2 animals which are multiple times larger than an average human, 60kg won't make a huge difference. So, the gorilla can grapple the taramaw. The best option for the gorilla is to bite and grapple at the same time. The taramaw is only 30% larger than the gorilla, not multiple times larger. Hence, trampling the gorilla is unlikely. As Ursus explained, the taramaw can lower his head to make his horns straight, so he actually can gore the gorilla. |
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| Mammuthus | Apr 14 2018, 06:16 AM Post #10 |
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Well according to the OP the Bovine somewhere in the realm of 220-300kg thus giving an average of 260kg. As for the Gorilla, one source states Eastern silverbacks weigh on average 170kg. |
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| Lightning | Apr 14 2018, 06:20 AM Post #11 |
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Oh ok. It says 195kg on the op so I thought that was the average. Will you post that source please. |
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| Mammuthus | Apr 14 2018, 06:25 AM Post #12 |
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d8d36DamYYIC&pg=PA163&dq=gorilla+weight&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3qe6TkbjaAhXLBsAKHZIsB4MQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=gorilla%20weight&f=false Actually it says 162kg on average for males. Damn that was smaller than I thought. |
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| Lightning | Apr 14 2018, 06:46 AM Post #13 |
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I guess the taramaw wins then. The only way the gorilla could win is if its a gorilla in the upper weight range vs a taramaw in the lower weight range. At average weights, the taramaw would win. Edited by Lightning, Apr 14 2018, 06:48 AM.
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| Mammuthus | Apr 14 2018, 06:53 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah I struggle to see the Gorilla killing the Tamaraw when there is a nearly 100kg weight difference. |
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