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Fight between Eurasian lynx and wolverine
Topic Started: Jul 6 2018, 08:13 AM (642 Views)
Fang Fatalis
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k9boy
Jul 7 2018, 01:25 AM
eh doesnt look subadult to me. you realise euro lynxes are significantly bigger then wolverines?


CanineCanis
Jul 6 2018, 09:47 PM
Pregnant wolves and pups do not count, and that "adult male" account is still questionable to me.

Also black bears make me go wtf, they're so robust and powerful but run away from damn house cats. lol
for what its worth, a male lynxes presence caused a mother wolf to literally abandon her pups and leg it. Normally animals displacing other animals isn't a huge deal, but causing a mother to leave pups because of the mere presence of a lynx indicates there is a very serious threat there.
But it could very well be a female...and how could you tell if it was a sub adult
or not, just by that footage? The stature & proportions of that wolverine did
not look indicative of an adult male...

I was the one making a case for the Lynx in the E.Lynx vs Baboon thread,
in which poster's were telling me how the E.Lynx DON'T get much larger
than 25kg....which isn't as significant as the apparent gap in size disparity
between the individuals in the video...factoring in the larger weights
of Gulo's...

I don't believe this Lynx would have such a pronounced size advantage
over the Gulo's in the video I posted...
Edited by Fang Fatalis, Jul 7 2018, 02:18 AM.
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k9boy
Jul 7 2018, 01:25 AM
for what its worth, a male lynxes presence caused a mother wolf to literally abandon her pups and leg it. Normally animals displacing other animals isn't a huge deal, but causing a mother to leave pups because of the mere presence of a lynx indicates there is a very serious threat there.
You have the account? Not saying you're wrong I just find that interesting. Since I'm rather fond of both animals.
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CanineCanis
Jul 7 2018, 03:29 AM
You have the account? Not saying you're wrong I just find that interesting.
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mother wolf flees den from male lynx

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"One well traced and documented example was quite impressive, at least, for us. In Naliboki Forest in the late April of 2017 in wolf pack consisting of 3 pregnant females and 2 adult males (a case of multiple breeding in a wolf pack) there were born three litters. During two weeks all three litters were extirpated by one big male lynx. Applying camera traps, we documented the appearance of the male lynx at the wolf burrows with pups. In one case there was the mother wolf at the den, but, when it detected the lynx, it escaped, permitting for the lynx to kill the pups."
Fang Fatalis
Jul 7 2018, 02:17 AM
...and how could you tell if it was a sub adult
or not, just by that footage?
the irony
Edited by k9boy, Jul 7 2018, 04:27 AM.
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Fang Fatalis
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So, it's definitely an adult yet, small male then? At the very least, I'm
entertaining other possibilities...

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It's really confusing that female wolves will stand up to grizzly bears coming to close to the den but run from Lynx. Yet wolves are known to chase lynx too

Sometimes nature is so inconsistent.
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thats just an assumption. its fine, i guess. don't know why you'd think that though. the lynx was described as a big male (and looks it), which would likely put it over 25kgs. going off that, the wolverine looks perfectly normal size, probably 16-18kg.
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So, it's definitely an adult yet, small male then? At the very least, I'm
entertaining other possibilities...
Edited by k9boy, Jul 7 2018, 08:44 AM.
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k9boy
Jul 7 2018, 08:43 AM
thats just an assumption. its fine, i guess. don't know why you'd think that though. the lynx was described as a big male (and looks it), which would likely put it over 25kgs. going off that, the wolverine looks perfectly normal size, probably 16-18kg.

In the E.Lynx/Baboon thread-I made such implications that large
male Lynx can be compared to small female Leopards...and I got
flack b/c apparently...female leopards average so much larger
than male E.Lynx....except when they don't...


I still maintain that this wolverine was of a much smaller stature
& proportions than of the individuals which were engaged in combat,
in the one video...just compare the limbs/tail to each the wolverines own
body to see what I mean...
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Felines can pretty much dominate any (same sized) opponent initially in the beginning of a fight with their speed and reflexes....Its later on in a drawn out struggle when the fun starts (if the fight extends that long which it very rarely does because both animals simply leave/go there separate ways after a brief skirmish in 90% of fights)....then it becomes more of an even contest...

In minor skirmishes like this (where both animals only fight for a brief time period before going there separate ways)....The Felines is usually gonna look more impressive simply because it's natural advantages are more pronounced in such a struggle....No other creature on the planet can spam out as many rapid fire attacks as Felines can and maneuver as impressively as they can.....

I think (generally speaking) Felines have a good shot at Bears/Mustelids at equal weights in a fight to the death, BUT it's probably 50/50 and both have a chance to win depending on how the individual fight plays out (if you pitted 10 Lions/Tigers vs Brown/Black Bear fights at parity you would probably get a bunch of different outcomes....)

The longer it goes the more the odds for the Cat start to decline (through it is still very possible that a Feline can win a long drawn out struggle)...
Edited by tigerburningbright, Jul 7 2018, 10:39 AM.
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Fatalis, if the people who claimed this Lynx size are fully correct, then there is a fine difference between average and a large specimen.
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Watching the video at low speed, the two animals are for an instant side by side (at 0:56), and they seem to me quite similar in size, but of course the wolverine fur would make it seem bulkier than it is in reality. That said, I think this kind of confrontations may depend on individual aggressiveness and on other circumstantial factors. For instance, if the lynx had just eaten itself full maybe it would not have bothered to challenge the 'rine. Or maybe it was a very territorial male.
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