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| European Wild Horses; originally posted by Dfoidl | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 9 2012, 06:44 PM (28,363 Views) | |
| firefly | Sep 15 2013, 09:41 PM Post #46 |
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Ok, I already gave my opinion. Btw, do you have any skull and teeth data about the Koniks?
Well, it´s still a open question, since I have said «or other horse breed».
I agree. Edited by firefly, Sep 15 2013, 10:03 PM.
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| firefly | Sep 15 2013, 10:06 PM Post #47 |
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I think that Spain should use Asturcón or a related breed, if they aim to start a local wild horse project, for example. I already had talks about this, some months ago. Retuerta may need some conservation, but for a wild horse project, they would need other one. Edited by firefly, Sep 15 2013, 10:08 PM.
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| Dfoidl | Sep 15 2013, 10:50 PM Post #48 |
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I have no written references, no (but not on the Exmoor either). But you may remember about the Exmoor skull that I laid over a Konik head and showed a perfect match. Honestly, I never recognized a significant difference between the heads of the Exmoor and the Konik. Also I see no evidence for the Exmoor having deeper-rooted teeth than other primitive horses. |
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| firefly | Sep 16 2013, 01:37 AM Post #49 |
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That´s possible. |
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| bullseye | Sep 26 2013, 11:12 PM Post #50 |
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@ all Not really on topic but certainly germain to the topic, IMHO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHlqZ6VZvKE enjoy, it's a little gory but worth the watch.
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| Roberta | Sep 29 2013, 08:18 AM Post #51 |
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I came across another Tarpan backbreeding attempt, again from Germany. (Do the Germans have a foible for backbreeding? Heck cattle, Wörth, Taurus / Heck pony, Liebenthal, Wiesmoor, ...) This one is by a Mr. Georg-Wilhelm Gaede from Wiesmoor, who half a century ago started to breed koniks for smallness and daintiness to recreate the results of Prof. Vetulani’s attempts. All sources stress that Mr. Goede’s animals are smaller and daintier than regular koniks. Sources (all German): http://haseluenne-wacholderhain.de/27203.html (English translation) http://www.uni-protokolle.de/Lexikon/Tarpan.html http://mobil.nabu-ostfriesland.de/index.php?id=728 http://www.noz.de/lokales/6360830/die-wildpferde-sind-als-landschaftspfleger-da http://www.beutelwolf.martin-skerhut.de/2011/08/portrait-tarpan/ http://www.kryptozoologie-online.de/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=2337 A herd of these horses were released in the nature reserve Wacholderhain in Haselünne/Lower Saxony: http://haseluenne-wacholderhain.de/27203.html In another thread here on Carnivora Forum, firefly posted a short video on reconstructing the head of an ice age Yukon horse. Equus lambei is said to be more closely related to the European wild horses than to the Przewalski horse. Interestingly, according to the video, its mane is said to be white, while the rest of the fur is darker. This sounds a bit like the flaxen or blond chestnut common especially in European working horses, except that Equus lambei also has wild type markings (dorsal stripe etc.) Does anyone know what the results are if you cross a flaxen horse with a dun horse? (The flaxen gene is as of yet only hypothetical and its locus unknown.) CreekValleyCritters: “Reconstruction of the extinct ice age Yukon horse Equus lambei (head)” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH-L2x_9eLM |
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| Dfoidl | Sep 30 2013, 08:57 AM Post #52 |
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I think that it is likely that the mane is not preserved completely, but only some strands. The mane of dun horses is usually bicoloured, perhaps more blond strands than black were preserved in this specimen. Or, another possibility, the mane hair was bleached over the millennia. |
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| Dfoidl | Dec 6 2013, 03:19 AM Post #53 |
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http://www.seaspiritoftheforest.co.uk/equine/colourhistory.html This website claims that the genetic background of the leopard spotting pattern is related to the stripes in zebras:
This sounds very interesting, I hope more on how the striping in zebras actually comes into shape will be known in the future. |
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| Scalesofanubis | Dec 6 2013, 12:16 PM Post #54 |
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The Nazis had this whole mythology about some sort of Aryan proto-German master race thing that made them fetishize all kinds of things about prehistoric Germany. So they ended up being ALL about trying to resurrect old German wildlife. |
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| Dfoidl | Dec 7 2013, 09:06 PM Post #55 |
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That's complete nonsense invented by tabloids, breeding-back has no connection to nazism. Edited by Dfoidl, Dec 8 2013, 08:46 AM.
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| bullseye | Dec 20 2013, 09:59 AM Post #56 |
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Interesting if you can put up with the advertising. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg2tVKvKp1A Interesting, to me, from the viewpoint of de-domestifcation. Even if you have never been "domesticated" you still need to be "de-domesticated" apparently. I seem to recall Dfoidl (?) mentioning somewhere that Lida weren't as interested in supplemental feeding as other breeds when natural feed sources ran short. Because Lida have never lived in a zoo perhaps? |
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| firefly | Jan 25 2014, 01:32 AM Post #57 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Mustang horses Edited by firefly, Jan 25 2014, 01:38 AM.
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| Copperhead | Jan 26 2014, 09:59 AM Post #58 |
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Primitive markings are actually very common in the horse world with developed breeds. Anything from a quarter horse to a paso fino can sport the dun gene. I think something that has gone overlooked in the "wild color" factor is the lighter undertones seen in the przewalski's horse. Its actually very common with belgian horses BUT is still considered a "primitive marking". Belgian draft: ![]() Przewalski's horse: ![]() The Fjord is also a very primitive looking animal with the upright mane, dorsal stripe and leg barring: ![]() |
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| phil90 | Jan 27 2014, 06:46 AM Post #59 |
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@Copperhead: Fjord do not have an upright mane!!!! Their mane is traditionally cut in that manner. |
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| firefly | Feb 2 2014, 02:35 AM Post #60 |
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Well, those mustangs that I have posted don´t have only a coat with primitive markings, they are much more than that.
Edited by firefly, Feb 2 2014, 02:36 AM.
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