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Wild Felids vs. Domestic Dogs; Compendium
Topic Started: Jan 10 2012, 05:32 AM (9,949 Views)
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Bobcats and Domestic Dogs

On New Year’s Day 2005 I saw a live wild bobcat. This is the only time I’ve ever seen one. I was looking out the window and noticed the brown rump of what I thought was a medium-sized dog. It had a bob-tail and was sniffing around my neighbor’s mailbox. I realized it was a bobcat, not a dog, and I rushed outside to take a closer look. By this time it had wandered into the vacant lot across the street from my house. I tried whistling to see if I could get it to approach me. Instead, it stared at me, and its eyes widened in fear, as if it had never seen a human before. The cat retreated in zig-zag pattern into the brush that then covered the lot. This bobcat was much longer and larger than an ordinary housecat. Though the rump was brown with black spots, most of its body was tawny-colored, so that it could blend with winter shades of grass. Perhaps not coincidentally, a few months earlier a bobcat killed a 120 pound pit bull terrier on Beech Island, South Carolina about 20 miles from my house.
http://markgelbart.wordpress.com/tag/bobcat-killing-pit-bull-terrier/

Newspaper Article : DNR officials say a Bobcat killed a residents Pitbull


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October 9, 2006 Red Rock, NV: The owner of a bobcat that mauled three dogs in Red Rock has been found. The escaped bobcat’s name is Katrina, and she is thirteen months old. The Antelope Valley owner told county workers she was tied up on a leash Thursday night, and somehow got away. One dog, Ace, was put down after suffering life-threatening injuries.

http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/big-cat-attacks

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"Because some Bobcats exist close to urban, suburban and agricultural areas, encounters with domestic dogs are inevitable. Dogs killed 20% (n=6) of the Bobcats in Lembeck's (1978) study near San Diego. Although Bobcats generally avoid dogs, interactions with domestic cats can be more varied. Riley (personnal communication) witnessed a non violent encounter between a domestic cat and a Bobcat near his study area. The housecat crouched and appeared frightened, but the Bobcat took no aggressive action. Conversley, Apps (personnal communication) reported one case in British Columbia of a Bobcat eating a domestic cat.
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Bobcat : Master of Survival - Kevin Hansen

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Farm dogs as a minor mortality source overall, and a part of man-caused mortality.
Ecology of Bobcats relative to exploitation and a prey decline in Southeastern Idaho by Knick
Edited by Canidae, Mar 5 2013, 02:54 AM.
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Jag
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There should be added a few other accounts: leopards and cougars have been reported to attack and kill Great Danes too.

http://books.google.it/books?id=oVRzFHlxHe0C&q=Great+Dane+attacked+by+leopard&dq=Great+Dane+attacked+by+leopard&hl=it&sa=X&ei=XJXGUpmLLcTY7AaAzoEg&redir_esc=y

The text here in incomplete,but the outcome is that of the dog facing off the cat but dying after the injuries while going back towards home.

There's also this record:
http://books.google.it/books?id=KF4dAQAAMAAJ&q=Great+Dane+attacked+by+leopard&dq=Great+Dane+attacked+by+leopard&hl=it&sa=X&ei=XJXGUpmLLcTY7AaAzoEg&redir_esc=y

Here a female GD killed by a leopard:
http://books.google.it/books?id=0IAwAQAAIAAJ&q=Great+Dane+attacked+by+leopard&dq=Great+Dane+attacked+by+leopard&hl=it&sa=X&ei=XJXGUpmLLcTY7AaAzoEg&redir_esc=y

This other link has a very interesting recordance: three "danish dogs" (maybe Great Danes?) are needed to fight on an even basis with huge leopards:
http://books.google.it/books?id=PAUMAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA13&dq=three+Danish+dogs+sufficient+match+for+leopard&hl=it&sa=X&ei=AJfGUp7bOavb7AaX1oF4&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=three%20Danish%20dogs%20sufficient%20match%20for%20leopard&f=false


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Alexander the Great's Mastiff type dog defeating a lion account.

The photo I was mistaken from earlier, it was actually of the Alexander the Great Mastiff type dog. But here's the Alexander the great account, of a large Mastiff breed defeating a lion. It's well known, and engraved in many books.

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Yeah, if there's one thing that is 100% fact it's a "historian" in the employ of a king or emperor. They never lie or embellish the truth, right? Kings fucking 100 women at once, Emperors winning a sword fight 10 on 1 and dogs killing lions AND elephants. What's not to believe?
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hahaha dog killing an elephant and a lion.

And i bet, responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs.
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Dog kills leopard, black bear, not anecdote?
Edited by RojJones, Jan 7 2014, 08:29 PM.
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Expert: Jim Wilson - 8/18/2010

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Hi, Jim, nice to meet you.
What do you think about the match "dog vs wolf"? Do you think, as many other experts, that in a face off a single wolf would beat any breed of dog?
I have read that are reports of Anatolian Shepherd killing Striped Hyenas, Leopard (Namibia), Wolves and even Black Bear in Alaska...do you know any of these? Can you confirm these report and maybe give me any link where these reports are well explained (maybe giving the sex and weights of the predators).
This is the website: http://molosserdogs.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=12322.0
Thanks a lot
Tom

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Hey Tom, nice to meet you too. This is a very interesting question and I'll do my best for you.

First of all, yes I do tend to take that view. However I don't think it's a certain thing. If a large, powerful dog- bred specifically for hunting or fighting- comes across a lone wolf, it has a chance. Domestic dogs can be extremely aggressive and have killer instinct, however there is no substitute for being a wild animal. A wolf's fitness, muscle and bone structure, agility, jaw strength and hardiness have all been perfected to a level well beyond most dog breeds due to hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Not to mention it's will to survive. Put it this way, if I had a large dog such as an Anatolian Shepherd or a Boerboel, I wouldn't want it going anywhere near a wolf.

On to these reports. I find them highly unlikely. I think this one is where they got all that talk about killing a leopard: http://www.canids.org/occasionalpapers/livestockguardingdog.pdf

I find the thought of a single Anatolian Shepherd, or any other dog, killing Striped Hyenas, Leopards and especially Black Bears pretty crazy. The story about the dog killing two baboons (http://www.carnivoraforum.com/index.cgi?board=zoological&action=print&thread=129) even surprises me. These animals just have too many weapons to use against dogs. Even the Striped Hyena, without the use of its forelimbs, poses a huge threat with its crushing jaw power and its hardiness, which rivals any animal in the world. A dog killing a Black Bear I will not believe until I see it.

In summary, I see the Anatolian Shepherd going like this against the respective animals:

vs Striped Hyena: It would put up a fight, that's for sure, but I can't see it killing a Hyena. If the Hyena got a hold of the dog, it would be in big trouble.

vs Leopard: The report of a leopard being killed by a single Anatolian Shepherd is very vague. An average sized, fit leopard would quickly find it's way to the dog's throat and end the fight.

vs Black Bear: A lone dog would be destroyed quickly. Too much power in the paws and the dog just doesn't have the weapons to hurt the bear.

I have a lot of respect for these dogs that are defending livestock from wildlife, but they aren't super dogs. They are effective because they are big, aggressive and stand their ground. Most animals would look at them and think it's not worth getting hurt and run away. Actually killing the predators is a whole different matter.

Thanks for the question Tom, very interesting to research and consider. Hope I was of some assistance.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2010/8/Dog-vs-1.htm
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Amur Tiger often kill large dogs such as Caucasian Shepherd.
Edited by RojJones, Jan 7 2014, 08:56 PM.
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Tasty dog. Tiger filch dog.

http://youtu.be/X4w2FSkZUDo?t=3m32s
Edited by RojJones, Jan 7 2014, 09:05 PM.
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EDIT : Nvm I didn't understand what this thread's subject really was about at first.
Edited by Koolyote, Jan 7 2014, 10:56 PM.
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Amur Tiger often kill large dogs such as Caucasian Shepherd.
Well, yeah....they out-weigh them by almost 400lbs on average. I wouldn't think anybody would question the largest cat on the planet would NOT be able to kill a dog.
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From canidae

"Unlike most breeds of dog today that are only bred as show dogs or pets, the Boerboel is still carrying out its original job as a family and farm protector all over South Africa. I have seen a huge stuffed hyena that was killed by the farmer’s Boerboels as it poached on his game farm. I have seen recent video footage, numerous times, of dogs with large scars, from one side of the rib cage across the back and half way down the other, from fighting baboon. Recently in Namibia a dog called Wellen Yster caught and killed a leopard near a waterhole on his farm. These are the dangerous experiences that Boerboels have gone through from Today, going back to their ancestors, 350 years ago."
http://www.evolutionboerboels.com.au/boerboel_history.htm

"In order to ward off large predators like hyena, leopard and lion, the Boerboel must be big with a big head. He must also be extremely strong to take on those animals in a stand up fight. The old Boere set great store by the ability of their dogs to fight other dogs, because that is an indication of their ability to fight predators. In an open range type of farming like they had then, there were no fences or kennels, and fights amongst dogs were very common in order to determine the rank of all the dogs in the area. Large predators were mostly tackled by a group of dogs, although certain dogs were able to kill something like a leopard on his own. Dogs bred for guard duty was bigger, better muscled and with heavier bone than the other dogs."
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Stories of Boerboels killing leopard in South Africa are very common. If the Boerboel survives he seldom does so without serious wounds. Up to this day there are still farmers that hunt leopard with only one Boerboel, and that dog regularly kills the leopard with very little harm done to himself. The type of dog favoured by farmers is the more agile Boerboel. This one story, heard from a reliable source, will illustrate the seriousness of the Boer's views towards coward ness:

"A young boy went hunting with his fathers Boerboel and a .22 gun. In his inexperience he shot at a leopard and wounded him, probably only a light flesh wound. The dog followed the leopard to his den and refused to fight when the child ordered him to. The boy then ordered the dog to keep the Leopard in his den and he went back home where he found his father and a neighbor. The neighbor offered to bring his two big dogs of a different breed to get the leopard out because they were 'trained' leopard dogs. When they reached the den, the father called back his Boerboel and the other two dogs were sent in. When they met the leopard he gave the front dog a smack with his paw and the dog fled the scene with his tail between his legs. The father then ordered his Boerboel to attack the leopard, which he did, because his own master ordered him to do it, and he killed the leopard. When they got back to the pick-up that was parked nearby, the frightened dog was hiding under it. The owner shot his cowardly dog there and then."

http://www.spitsvuurboerboele.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=70&Itemid=62

The dogs have superb hunting capabilities. A farmer once told me that his Boerboel have killed leopards on his farm, and I know many abroad see this statement as far fetched, as any Boerboel farmer in the Free State can tell a tale or two of the dogs on the hunt – The “Mispa” breeder can tell you several tales of his dogs on the hunt,( now a leopard only weighs in at around 60 to 180 lbs so two dogs on one cat is not a big match considering they can grow to 210 lbs). Strange how this seems impossible to some, but they will tell you that they have seen pit-bulls fight bears and bulls? These dogs also killed several baboons, known to be natural dog killers. So yes when it comes to, brut power and brawn they epitomise the concept.
http://www.auspet.com/forum/about7539.html

By training your animal to defend, you will find that he is able to growl like a lion and protect you with a ferocity that doesn't take its own safety into account. African animal need to survive in Africa, and the Boerboel is no exception. Boerboels have often beaten off an attack from a leopard, in fact Aristotle named the Boerboel's ancestors, Leontix (sons of lions).
http://www.african-boerboel.co.za/character.htm
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The 1-year-old Blue Heeler was bloody and barely able to stand.

Monday morning, Jirsa was walking with Lady along a trail near her home in a remote area on Stanley Mountain.

Lady was 150 feet down an embankment from the trail when the mountain lion attacked.

"When I realized it was a mountain lion, I really started hollering," Jirsa said. "I was pretty much at its mercy if I did decide to go down there."

The large cat picked up the 40-pound dog and carried it out of sight.

Jirsa ran for help and when she returned, there was no sign of the mountain lion or her dog.

"Over and over and over I saw that scene in my head and felt the helplessness of that," Jirsa said.

She spent the day in her house, wracked with grief.

Until the moment, part way through the afternoon, when Lady staggered into the house.

The dog was bleeding and covered with dirt.

Dr. Jody Engel of Mountain Park Veterinary Hospital says Lady was nearly comatose when Jirsa carried the dog into the clinic.

Engel says it's rare for a dog as small as Lady to survive such a severe attack.

"She's very lucky to be alive," Engel said. "She actually has a fractured skull. It was amazing because you could see her breathing through her forehead."

Engel says she has seen a recent rash of brazen mountain lion attacks on pets. In one case, she said, a cat forced its way into a garage to kill a dog.

Tuesday evening, Lady emerged from a three-hour surgery and is expected to go home within a day or two.

"She is tough as nails," said Jirsa.

Engel says Lady's survival story is a good reminder to pet owners to keep their animals on leashes when in mountain lion country.

Not every Lady is as lucky as this one.
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I cant stand how in this forum allos post hunter and hunt animals pics that show extremly animal cruelty, and you dont allow show dogs/leopard fights etc...

Animal cruelty is animal cruelty interpecific forced fights and hunting!!
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