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Wild Felids vs. Domestic Dogs; Compendium
Topic Started: Jan 10 2012, 05:32 AM (9,948 Views)
RojJones
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Beautiful fairy tale.
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kuri
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i read some boerbel forums.
A very credible community :)
"a leopard or a cougar are no match for a boerbel, maybe a male lion or a bear"

Yes of course LOL
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RojJones
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Boerboel = lion or tiger. Wolf beat boerboel. :D
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In 1825, two more lion fights took place, staged by a promoter named George Wombwell, who travelled around England with his collection of caged wild animals. The fights were arranged in collaboration with dog dealers Ben White and Bill George.[2] The venue for the encounters was an extensive enclosure called the Old Factory Yard, in the suburbs of Warwick, on the road towards Northampton. The cage where the fight was to take place stood in the center of a hollow square, formed on two sides by a range of empty workshops, the windows of which were fitted up with planks on barrels as seats for the spectators. The price of admission was three guineas for seats at the windows, first, second and third floors of the unoccupied factory; two guineas for seats on the fourth floor; one guinea for a still more distant point; and a half-guinea for standing room in the square. At this time the most famous Lion bait was about to start. A Staffordshire Bull Terrier around 19 inches tall named Sammy against one of the most ferocious lions, who was known to kill dogs in seconds. The fight lasted 20 minutes, the lion was striking Sammy but Sammy would never give up and grabbed the Lion by the face never let go until the Lion severely injured him. Sammy grabbed him again and the Lion was too injured to fight back, the fight was separated and Sammy won the fight. Sammy was treated at the finest medical centre in Warwick. The most amazing part was that Sammy was as soft as a lamb with children, so he was the definition of a staffordshire bull terrier and was rewarded a medal for his optimal Staffordshire Bull Terrier personality.

The cage measured fifteen feet square, ten feet high, with an elevated floor six feet from the ground. The old iron bars were wide enough apart for a dog to enter or escape.

The first bait involved the lion named "Nero" and the second bait a lion named "Wallace".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-baiting
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kingkazma
Jun 12 2014, 07:56 AM

Stories of Boerboels killing leopard in South Africa are very common. If the Boerboel survives he seldom does so without serious wounds.Up to this day there are still farmers that hunt leopard with only one Boerboel, and that dog regularly kills the leopard with very little harm done to himself. The type of dog favoured by farmers is the more agile Boerboel.

What a joke!
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Expert: Jim Wilson - 8/18/2010

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Hi, Jim, nice to meet you.
What do you think about the match "dog vs wolf"? Do you think, as many other experts, that in a face off a single wolf would beat any breed of dog?
I have read that are reports of Anatolian Shepherd killing Striped Hyenas, Leopard (Namibia), Wolves and even Black Bear in Alaska...do you know any of these? Can you confirm these report and maybe give me any link where these reports are well explained (maybe giving the sex and weights of the predators).
This is the website: http://molosserdogs.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=12322.0
Thanks a lot
Tom

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Hey Tom, nice to meet you too. This is a very interesting question and I'll do my best for you.

First of all, yes I do tend to take that view. However I don't think it's a certain thing. If a large, powerful dog- bred specifically for hunting or fighting- comes across a lone wolf, it has a chance. Domestic dogs can be extremely aggressive and have killer instinct, however there is no substitute for being a wild animal. A wolf's fitness, muscle and bone structure, agility, jaw strength and hardiness have all been perfected to a level well beyond most dog breeds due to hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Not to mention it's will to survive. Put it this way, if I had a large dog such as an Anatolian Shepherd or a Boerboel, I wouldn't want it going anywhere near a wolf.

On to these reports. I find them highly unlikely. I think this one is where they got all that talk about killing a leopard: http://www.canids.org/occasionalpapers/livestockguardingdog.pdf

I find the thought of a single Anatolian Shepherd, or any other dog, killing Striped Hyenas, Leopards and especially Black Bears pretty crazy. The story about the dog killing two baboons (http://www.carnivoraforum.com/index.cgi?board=zoological&action=print&thread=129) even surprises me. These animals just have too many weapons to use against dogs. Even the Striped Hyena, without the use of its forelimbs, poses a huge threat with its crushing jaw power and its hardiness, which rivals any animal in the world. A dog killing a Black Bear I will not believe until I see it.

In summary, I see the Anatolian Shepherd going like this against the respective animals:

vs Striped Hyena: It would put up a fight, that's for sure, but I can't see it killing a Hyena. If the Hyena got a hold of the dog, it would be in big trouble.

vs Leopard: The report of a leopard being killed by a single Anatolian Shepherd is very vague. An average sized, fit leopard would quickly find it's way to the dog's throat and end the fight.

vs Black Bear: A lone dog would be destroyed quickly. Too much power in the paws and the dog just doesn't have the weapons to hurt the bear.

I have a lot of respect for these dogs that are defending livestock from wildlife, but they aren't super dogs. They are effective because they are big, aggressive and stand their ground. Most animals would look at them and think it's not worth getting hurt and run away. Actually killing the predators is a whole different matter.

Thanks for the question Tom, very interesting to research and consider. Hope I was of some assistance.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2010/8/Dog-vs-1.htm
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kingkazma
Jun 12 2014, 07:56 AM

Stories of Boerboels killing leopard in South Africa are very common. If the Boerboel survives he seldom does so without serious wounds.Up to this day there are still farmers that hunt leopard with only one Boerboel, and that dog regularly kills the leopard with very little harm done to himself. The type of dog favoured by farmers is the more agile Boerboel.

What a joke!
I don't believe it either,but I suppose it counts. It's not my post, it's canidae's.
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Jun 12 2014, 06:42 PM
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If those are bait for another animal, that's considered cruelty
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kingkazma
Jun 12 2014, 09:55 PM

If those are bait for another animal, that's considered cruelty


to be fair..good point, but the dog isn't in danger.
But still cruelty
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It'll probably be traumatized, and the tiger might still get it.
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That's cruel!!
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it's always the same in india
"oh..a leopard..let's all get out of the house and went to the leopard"

"oh..swear word he is attacking us..why?"
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dog meat = hog meat

Chinese people eats dogs, pitbulls, boerboels, dogo argentinos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C_IcUmdELY
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=008_1341803244
Edited by RojJones, Jun 19 2014, 12:49 AM.
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