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| Wild Felids vs. Domestic Dogs; Compendium | |
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| kingkazma | Jun 19 2014, 12:59 AM Post #46 |
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| RojJones | Jun 19 2014, 01:18 AM Post #47 |
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You eat meat? You sadist. |
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| Koolyote | Jun 19 2014, 01:21 AM Post #48 |
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Sorry to tell you this, but this thread is for dogs and wild felids interacting, not about eating dogs. |
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| kingkazma | Jun 19 2014, 01:28 AM Post #49 |
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| kingkazma | Aug 30 2014, 08:36 AM Post #50 |
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Regarding the Anatolian shepherd vs leopard accounts I found the weights. Leopard Between 1996 and 2000, 11 adult leopards were radio-collared on Namibian farmlands. Males weighed 37.5 to 52.3 kg (83 to 115 lb) only, and females 24 to 33.5 kg (53 to 74 lb). Max weight The heaviest wild leopard weighed by researchers was a 96 kg (211 pounds) male captured in Namibia. The source of this record is the book, "The Hunters Or the Hunted?: An Introduction to African Cave Taphonomy" (1983) page 91. This book is authored by a scientist and the leopard was captured for study not sport hunting. And Peter Turnbull-Kemp a perfectly reliable source states in his book that at the time of his writing (1967) there were 7 reliable records of 200lb+ leopards that he was aware of. Anatolian shepherd weight. Height: Males 28 - 30 inches (71 - 76 cm) Females 26 - 28 inches (66 - 71 cm) Weight: Males 100 - 150 pounds (45 - 68 kg) Females 90 - 130 pounds (41 - 59 kg) Max weight 180 pounds Either way the dog is much larger and would have won, likely even against a tom. With serious wounds of course. "He is riding his luck and has successfully fended off four Leopard attacks on his herd. In his last attack he was seriously injured, but after immediate treatment he survived and is back with his herd and working hard as ever. What a dog!" - http://www.cheetah.co.za/pdf/dog_report_june2009.pdf In 1790, The Times reported a lion-baiting in Vienna as follows: "There was a lion fight at the amphitheatre of Vienna, in the summer of 1790, which was almost the last permitted in that capital. The amphitheatre at Vienna embraced an area of from eighty to a hundred feet in diameter. The lower part of the structure comprised the dens of the different animals. Above those dens, and about ten feet from the ground, were the first and principal seats, over which were galleries. In the course of the entertainment, a den was opened, out of which stalked, in free and ample range, a most majestic lion; and, soon after, a fallow deer was let into the circus from another den. The deer instantly fled, and bounded round the circular space, pursued by the lion; but the quick and sudden turnings of the former continually baulked the effort of its pursuer. After this ineffectual chase had continued for several minutes, a door was opened, through which the deer escaped; and presently five or Cane Corsos six of the large and fierce Hungarian Mastiffs were sent in. The lion, at the moment of their entrance, was leisurely returning to his den, the door of which stood open. The dogs, which entered behind him, flew towards him in a body, with the utmost fury, making the amphitheatre ring with their barking. When they reached the lion, the noble animal stopped, and deliberately turned towards them. The dogs instantly retreated a few steps, increasing their vociferations, and the lion slowly resumed his progress towards his den. The dogs again approached; the lion turned his head; his adversaries halted; and this continued until, on his nearing his den, the dogs separated, and approached him on different sides. The lion then turned quickly round, like one whose dignified patience could brook the harassment of insolence no longer. The dogs fled far, as if instinctively sensible of the power of wrath they had at length provoked. One unfortunate dog, however, which had approached too near to effect his escape, was suddenly seized by the paw of the lion; and the piercing yells which he sent forth quickly caused his comrades to recede to the door of entrance at the opposite site of the area, where they stood in a row, barking and yelling in concert with their miserable associate. After arresting the struggling and yelling prisoner for a short time, the lion couched upon him with his forepaws and mouth. The struggles of the sufferer grew feebler and feebler, until at length he became perfectly motionless. We all concluded him to be dead. In this composed posture of executive justice, the lion remained for at least ten minutes, when he majestically rose, and with a slow step entered his den, and disappeared. The apparent corpse continued to lie motionless for a few minutes; presently the dog, to his amazement, and that of the whole amphitheatre, found himself alive, and rose with his nose pointed to the ground, his tail between his hind legs pressing his belly, and, as soon as he was certified of his existence, he made off for the door in a long trot, through which he escaped with his more fortunate companions." Nero Nero The Morning Herald of 26 July 1825, provided the following account: "The lion's travelling caravan was drawn close to the fighting cage, so that the door could be opened from one into the other; and the keeper, Wombwell, then going into the travelling caravan, in which another man had already been staying with the lion for some time, the animal followed him into the cage as tamely as a Newfoundland dog. The whole demeanour of the beast, indeed, was so quiet and generous, that at his first appearance, it became very much doubted whether he would attempt to fight at all. While the multitude shouted and the dogs were yelling in the ground below, he walked up and down his cage with the most perfect composure, not at all angered, or even excited. In the meantime, Wombwell had quit the cage and the dogs were 'made ready'. These were the fallow-coloured Old English Bulldog, a brown with white legs and a third brown altogether averaging about forty pounds in weight a piece and described in the printed papers, which were distributed by the names Captain, Tiger and Turk. As the dogs were held for a minute in slips, upon which they ran from the ground to the stage, the lion crouched on his belly to receive them; but, with so perfect an absence of anything like ferocity, showed clearly that the idea of fighting, or doing mischief to any living creature, never had occurred to him. Nettel was in the second group of dogs set on Nero At the first rush of the dogs, which the lion evidently had not expected and did not at all know how to meet, they all fixed themselves upon him, but caught only by the dewlap and the mane. With a single effort he shook them off, without attempting to return the attack. He then flew from side to side of the cage, endeavouring to get away; but in the next moment the assailants were upon him again, and the brown dog, Turk, seized him by the nose, while the two others fastened at the same time on the fleshy part of his lips and under-jaw. The lion then roared dreadfully, but evidently only from the pain he suffered, not at all from anger. As the dogs hung to his throat and head, he pawed them off by sheer strength; and in doing this and in rolling upon them, did them considerably mischief; but it amounted to the most curious fact that he never once bit, or attempted to bite, during the whole contest, or seemed to have any desire to retaliate any of the punishment which was inflicted upon him. When he was first 'pinned', for instance, the dogs hung to him for more than a minute and were drawn, holding to his nose and lips, several times round the ring. After a short time, roaring tremendously, he tore them off with his claws, mauling two a good deal in the operation, but still not attempting afterward to act on the offensive. After about five minutes fighting, the fallow-coloured dog was taken away, lame and apparently much distressed and the remaining two continued the combat alone, the lion still working only with his paws, as though seeking to rid himself of a torture, the nature of which he did not well understand. In two or three minutes more, the second dog, Tiger, being dreadfully maimed, crawled out of the business; not the brown dog, Turk, which was the lightest of the three, but was of admirable courage and went on fighting by himself. A most extraordinary scene ensued; dog, left entirely alone with an animal twenty time its weight, continued the battle with unabated fury and thought bleeding all over from the effect of the lion's claws, seized and pinned him by the nose at least half a dozen times; when, at length, releasing himself with a desperate effort, the lion flung his whole weight upon the dog and held him lying between his fore paws for more than a minute, during which time he could have bitten his head off a hundred times over, but did not make the slightest effort to hurt him. Poor Turk was then taken away by the dog-keepers, grievously mangled but still alive and seized the lion, for at least the twentieth time, the very same moment that the he was released from under him. The second round of the contest presented only a repetition of the first. However, the second set of dogs being heavier than the first and the lion more exhausted, it became a one-way contest. Nero, bleeding freely from the nose and head, was unable to keep his footing and slipped on the wet boards. The dogs, all three, seized him; the lion endeavoured to get rid of them in the same way as before, using his pawn and not thinking of fighting, but not with the same success. He fell and showed symptoms of weakness, upon which the dogs were taken away. This termination, however, did not please the crowd, who cried out loudly that the dogs were not beaten. Some confusion then followed; after which the doges were again put in and again seized the lion, which by this time, as well as bleeding freely from the head appeared to have hurt one of this fore feet. Nero weakened rapidly, Mr. Wombwell announced that he gave on the part of the lion; and the exhibition was declared to at an end. The first round lasting eleven minutes with the seconds less than five. From the beginning of the contest to the end, the lion was merely a sufferer; he never struck a blow in anger." In 1825, two more lion fights took place, staged by a promoter named George Wombwell, who travelled around England with his collection of caged wild animals. The fights were arranged in collaboration with dog dealers Ben White and Bill George.[2] The venue for the encounters was an extensive enclosure called the Old Factory Yard, in the suburbs of Warwick, on the road towards Northampton. The cage where the fight was to take place stood in the center of a hollow square, formed on two sides by a range of empty workshops, the windows of which were fitted up with planks on barrels as seats for the spectators. The price of admission was three guineas for seats at the windows, first, second and third floors of the unoccupied factory; two guineas for seats on the fourth floor; one guinea for a still more distant point; and a half-guinea for standing room in the square. At this time the most famous Lion bait was about to start. A Staffordshire Bull Terrier around 19 inches tall named Sammy against one of the most ferocious lions, who was known to kill dogs in seconds. The fight lasted 20 minutes, the lion was striking Sammy but Sammy would never give up and grabbed the Lion by the face never let go until the Lion severely injured him. Sammy grabbed him again and the Lion was too injured to fight back, the fight was separated and Sammy won the fight. Sammy was treated at the finest medical centre in Warwick. The most amazing part was that Sammy was as soft as a lamb with children, so he was the definition of a staffordshire bull terrier and was rewarded a medal for his optimal Staffordshire Bull Terrier personality. The cage measured fifteen feet square, ten feet high, with an elevated floor six feet from the ground. The old iron bars were wide enough apart for a dog to enter or escape. |
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| Molosser | Aug 30 2014, 02:57 PM Post #51 |
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Dog/mountain lion encounter: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/09/25/dogs-confrontation-with-mountain-lion-caught-on-camera/ Two dogs tree a cougar: http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/british-columbia/story/1.1360037 Dog trees a mountain lion: Cindy Kalyan and Betsy Burton were hiking with their dogs on a Colorado mountain trail when Burton noticed movement out of the corner of her eye. She turned to look and there stood a mountain lion, less than 10 feet away. Burton had volunteered at a mountain lion rehab center in Telluride, so her first thought wasn’t typical. She knew mountain lions were shy, usually choosing to stay away from humans. She wasn’t alarmed. “I should have reacted differently, but I first just noticed how beautiful it was,” she says. “Then it did exactly what you don’t want a mountain lion to do. Its ears were flat back and it crouched down.” That’s when Stanley, Kalyan’s golden retriever, jumped between Burton and the lion. “I managed to rip a branch from a tree. It’s amazing what adrenaline allows you to do,” Burton says. “Cindy picked one up from the ground. We held them over our heads and we yelled, but the lion kept coming toward me.” All the while, Maggie, Burton’s border collie mix, cowered behind her, while Stanley, the retriever, stood his ground, growling and barking. Burton slowly walked backward as the lion crept forward. Stanley lunged for the lion over and over, defending Burton. Then the lion stopped, turned, and retreated. Stanley pursued, chasing the lion up a nearby tree. “Stanley was standing at the bottom of the tree, guarding the lion and making sure it wouldn’t come back down,” says Kalyan. The women walked away from the lion, calling Stanley to come. He didn’t. Eventually the two women could not see or hear the dog. “We were crying, thinking that Stanley was dead. Then he came bounding over this hill with this expression on his face that seemed to say, Can you believe it? Can you believe it? It was amazing. Stanley was incredible,” says Burton. http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/dogs/Dog-Fights-Off-Mountain-Lion.html |
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| Taipan | Sep 12 2014, 09:29 PM Post #52 |
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Cat bites dog: In India's human dominated landscapes, top prey for leopards is dogs Date: September 11, 2014 Source: Wildlife Conservation Society Summary: In India’s human dominated agricultural landscapes, where leopards prowl at night, it’s not livestock that’s primarily on the menu -- it is man’s best friend. ![]() This is a camera trap image of a leopard looking for its favorite prey in India's Ahmednagar's district in Maharashtra. A new study led by the Wildlife Conservation Society reveals that in India's human dominated agricultural landscapes, where leopards prowl at night, it's not livestock that's primarily on the menu -- it is man's best friend. The study, which looked at scat samples for leopards in India's Ahmednagar's district in Maharashtra, found that 87 percent of their diet was made up of domestic animals. Domestic dog dominated as the most common prey item at 39 percent and domestic cats were second at 15 percent. Seventeen percent of the leopard's diet consisted of assorted wild animals including rodents, monkeys, and mongoose, and birds. Livestock, despite being more abundant, made up a relatively small portion of the leopard's diet. Domestic goats, for example, are seven times more common than dogs in this landscape, yet only make up 11 percent of leopard's prey. The author's say this is because goats are less accessible and often brought into pens at night, while dogs are largely allowed to wander freely. Cows, sheep, and pigs were also eaten, but collectively made up less than 20 percent of leopard's food. Most domestic cattle in this region are too large to be preyed on by leopards. The author's of the study say that the selection of domestic dogs as prey means that the economic impact of predation by leopards on valuable livestock is lower than expected. Thus, human-leopard "conflict" is more likely to be related to people's fears of leopards foraging in the proximity of their houses and the sentimental value of dogs as pets. Study co-author Ullas Karanth, WCS Director for Science-Asia, said: "During the past two-to-three decades, legal regulation of leopard hunting, increased conservation awareness, and the rising numbers of feral dogs as prey have all led to an increase in leopard numbers outside of nature reserves in agricultural landscapes. While this is good news for conservation and a tribute to the social tolerance of Indian people, it also poses major challenges of managing conflict that occasionally breaks out. Only sound science can help us face this challenge." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140911092326.htm Journal Reference: Vidya Athreya, Morten Odden, John D. C. Linnell, Jagdish Krishnaswamy, K. Ullas Karanth. A cat among the dogs: leopard Panthera pardus diet in a human-dominated landscape in western Maharashtra, India. Oryx, 2014; 1 DOI: 10.1017/S0030605314000106 Abstract The ecology and predator–prey dynamics of large felids in the tropics have largely been studied in natural systems where wild ungulates constitute the majority of the prey base. However, human-dominated landscapes can be rich in potential prey for large carnivores because of the high density of domestic animals, especially in tropical countries where pastoralism is an important livelihood activity. We report the almost complete dependence of leopards Panthera pardus on domestic animals as prey in the crop lands of Ahmednagar district, Maharashtra, India. From analysis of 85 confirmed leopard scats, 87% of the leopard's prey biomass consisted of domestic animals, with 39% consisting of domestic dogs Canis lupus familiaris alone. The only wild species that occurred in the leopard's diet were rodents, small indian civet Viverricula indica, bonnet macaque Macaca radiata and other primates Semnopithecus spp., mongoose Herpestes spp., and birds. Interviews conducted in 77 households distributed randomly in the study area documented a high density of domestic animals: adult cattle Bos taurus, calves, goats Capra aegagrus, dogs and cats Felis catus occurred at densities of 169, 54, 174, 24 and 61 per km2, respectively. Ivlev's electivity index indicated that dogs and cats were over-represented in the leopard's diet, given the higher densities of goats and cattle. The standing biomass of dogs and cats alone was sufficient to sustain the high density of carnivores at the study site. Our results show that the abundance of potential domestic prey biomass present in human-use areas supports a relatively high density of predators, although this interaction could result in conflict with humans. http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9343895&fileId=S0030605314000106 |
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| kingkazma | Dec 15 2014, 01:28 AM Post #53 |
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Dogs hunting jaguar (?) With good hunting-dogs fine jaguar- and puma-hunting might be obtained on the banks of this river, where without doubt they are exceedingly numerous. Many of the Indian hunting-dogs trained for deer or tapir will hunt tigers. When on the track of either of these animals, should they come across the scent of a tiger, their eager and confident manner of pressing on after the game is immediately changed, and with hair on their hacks erect they become cautious and nervous to a degree, jumping at even the snapping of a twig. Abandoning the hunt they take up the tiger's track and follow it. But should the huntsman call them from it, or not cheer them on with his voice from time to time, they exhibit great fear, and keeping close to his heels cannot be induced to hunt any more in that district for the day. On the contrary, if allowed to follow the tiger, they track it up with caution, being fully aware of the cunning dodge practised by that animal, which is, when the dog is close at hand, to spring to one side and lie in ambush till it passes, when with one spring the dog is seized. Ordinary dogs would fall a prey to this trap, but not the self-taught tiger dogs. Their fine powers of scent warn them of their near approach to the quarry, when they advance with great caution, never failing to detect the tiger in time, and when once their eye is upon their enemy it has no chance to escape. In its pride of strength, the jaguar scorns the dogs, and with a rush like a ball from a cannon springs madly at one of them, feeling sure that it cannot escape. It has reckoned, however, without its host, for the dog eludes the spring with ease, and with great quickness flies on the tiger's flank, giving it a severe nip. As the tiger turns with a growl of pain and disappointment, the dog is off to a little distance, yelping lustily and never remaining still an instant, but darting first on one side and then on the other. After one or two ineffectual charges the tiger gives it up, and on the approach of the hunter, springs into the nearest suitable tree, which it seldom leaves alive. [The Indians describe several kinds of tigers and tiger-cats, each of which hunts one kind of animal in particular, whose call it can imitate. The deer-tiger is the puma. The wailah, or tapir-tiger, is pure black and of great size.] https://books.google.com/books?id=SDANAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=using+dogs+to+hunt+tigers&source=bl&ots=c2SDPxkPKm&sig=lsCVfMiEmEtziC-ev01uMhB3EZs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Oa2NVMKLComqgwSFv4TQDA&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAzgK dogs hunting tigers Bear-hunting dog brought in to catch tiger The French police have brought in a Karelian dog which will try to help capture the tiger, even though the breed is normally used for bear hunting. The breed, which comes from northern Europe, is often used to hunt aggressive animals including moose and wild boar. In Finland the dog is considered a 'national treasure'. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-tiger-recap-updates-police-4620644 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=using%20dogs%20to%20hunt%20tigers&source=web&cd=34&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjADOB4&url=http%3A%2F%2Farchives.chicagotribune.com%2F1932%2F04%2F13%2Fpage%2F15%2Farticle%2Fparty-to-hunt-bengal-tigers-with-u-s-dogs%2Findex.html&ei=zLGNVKSWLsqagwTB7oPwCg&usg=AFQjCNGWAbbuzWK9fxwAlJkjOskRkecLnw |
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| AlekseyZoologist | Dec 26 2014, 02:23 PM Post #54 |
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Some villagers had lost limbs, while a few had died after being mauled by lions and leopards. Khanyile said he was with his six dogs in the veld looking after his cattle when the dogs started barking in scrub ahead. He could not remember the exact date or year of the incident, although others had said that it had happened in 2009. “I followed the dogs to a shrub where they were barking and whining and to my surprise, three of my dogs were dead and it (the leopard) had just ripped the fourth dog apart. It was a scary sight and before I knew it, it was on top of me ripping my flesh apart,” he said. “I was all alone, far from the homesteads.” Khanyile said his knobkerrie had been useless against the wild animal. “It threw me to the ground. Part of my skin on the face was ripped off by the animal’s razor-sharp claws. I don’t know what came to its mind because it paused for a moment from attacking me, and then just dashed off.” He said he hobbled to the closest homesteads and was taken to hospital where his right arm was amputated. “I spent many days in hospital. The bone was broken because I tried to shield my face with the arm; I guess that’s how I broke the bone. My other hand is paralysed. I can’t feed myself. I am practically dependent on my wife here at home. Life has changed,” he said. http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/man-recalls-nightmare-leopard-attack-1.1762860#.VJ0uvl4jB - - - - - - - - - - - Dehradun, 26 Mar: Yesterday was a tragic day for our family! A Leopard scaled our walls and killed our particularly muscular 9 year old Labrador retriever, Purdey. Besides the loss of a pet, who was a part of our lives and our home, it felt like a double tragedy. This was the work of a desperately hungry animal, driven to leave the thick forest adjoining us and enter a property that he had no idea how he would get out of. As it happened, he spent a lot of time trying to find a spot from where he could scale the 10 ft high walls and leave the property. The cat left blood-stained pug-marks on various places on our walls in his trial-and-error attempts to exit our property. Besides a 10 ft wall on 3 sides, topped with barbed-wire, our boundary with the forest has a 6 ft chain-link fence with a 10 ft ‘Pushta’ below. http://garhwalpost.in/dist_news_details.php?nid=350 Two dogs were found dead on a sunday morning Dogs may have been attacked by the 'Puma yagouaroundi' / Portuguese language ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() http://www.leisecamarica.com.br/inoa-dois-cachorros-sao-encontrados-mortos-e-internauta-suspeita-de-puma-yagouaroundi/ Edited by Taipan, Feb 17 2016, 08:26 AM.
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| AlekseyZoologist | Dec 29 2014, 06:58 PM Post #55 |
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Some pupils from Naka estate in Nakuru yesterday missed school for fear of a stray leopard which had killed several dogs and chickens. Confirming the incident, area Chief Stephen Macharia said the leopard suspected to have escaped from Lake Nakuru National Park has been attacking homesteads. He said the beast killed a number of chickens and two German shepherd dogs in the last two weeks. Macharia urged residents, via social media, to remain indoors after he received a call at three in the morning from one of the Nyumba Kumi elders he had recruited. One of the residents, Margaret Njeri, said she heard a dog bark and later heard the leopard creep in to her compound. Lake Nakuru National Park community warden Jacob Olare blamed the area residents for breaking the park fence. Olare said, “Some animals cannot be contained in the park as they are able to crawl out. However, area residents have also contributed to the attacks as they keep breaking the fence thereby letting the animals out.” The warden assured that they had set a trap to capture the stray cat. http://www.hivisasa.com/11947/news/nakuru-children-miss-school-over-leopard-scare |
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| kingkazma | Dec 29 2014, 10:55 PM Post #56 |
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Those aren't puma tracks. Seems to me as if they were killed by a large canid judging by the tracks. I'll look into it more.
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| kingkazma | Dec 29 2014, 11:04 PM Post #57 |
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Okay, so to me, the tracks appear to have been made by a coyote or dog. The throat hold also suggested such, as it is a trait of coyotes. A cougar likely would have killed the dog with a nape bite. Edited by Taipan, Feb 17 2016, 08:27 AM.
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| maker | Jan 29 2015, 07:16 PM Post #58 |
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A jaguarundi killing 2 medium sized dogs is very unreliable.
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| maker | Mar 14 2015, 09:37 PM Post #60 |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/Pack-of-stray-dogs-kills-leopard/articleshow/46557910.cms |
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